Melo (21 posts)  10/27/2012 9:49 PM

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

About to go to the Rockets apparently

Rapierman (114 posts)  10/27/2012 9:51 PM

He just got traded.  He went to OKC for Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and "future considerations", whatever that might turn out to be.  Fallout?

ZeroStatic (166 posts)  10/27/2012 9:54 PM

I don't know why OKC did that considering their title aspirations, Harden was giving them more than K.Mart or Lamb will... And future draft picks aren't going to help them to win this year.

Rapierman (114 posts)  10/27/2012 9:56 PM

According to that tweet, there were talks between management and Harden about getting him signed to a contract extension, but it didn't pan out.

potatoman5 (33 posts)  10/27/2012 9:57 PM

Fantasy value skyrockets!! I got him with my 30th pick!!!!

dalpsar (25 posts)  10/27/2012 10:06 PM

The reason is easy. Harden wanted a max deal and they couldn't do it. If OKC got Martin, Lamb, and 2 first rounders that is probably the best they could of done. Only if they could of traded Perkins for asik as well.

bruin99 (201 posts)  10/27/2012 10:12 PM

So what's the overall analysis?

Harden usage, scoring and assists go up at the cost of efficiency, FG% and TOs, but I would suspect better FT% as well.

Martin usage goes down, FG% up. 

Lin probably won't be the only ballhandler now.

Not sure anyone else is really affected.

# 22686 (64 posts)  10/27/2012 10:21 PM

Not sure why OKC would give him away since they're gunning for the title.

Why wouldn't they have just waiting till the end of the season then offer him up for a sign and trade deal???

From fantasy perspective, minutes and stats for KevMart will drop, while counting stats for Harden would be up with a decrease in efficiency is my opinion

Annoying that I drafted both today in our BBM roto league 7 this morning 

I presume Houston will play a ton of P&R given Hardens ability to run it. Maybe a slight increase in usage for Asik if this is the case??

lhowie (9 posts)  10/27/2012 10:27 PM

Tough one -

a drop in FG and increase in TO could make Harden rank lower in 9-cat roto - depends how much of the burden he shoulders. The fact that Lin will be beside him may mean that Harden becomes solid top 15-ish

I think this helps Lin as it fits with media reports of the Houston philosophy for Lin (shoot less, hand off more)

For Kevin Martin, it could be good. Will depend on minutes. He will get less points, he already does not reb or assist much, and was able to go 2+ 3s on a weakish team with lots of defensive attention. But will he start? He might only get 29 mins.

ferris (307 posts)  10/27/2012 10:52 PM

somebody wake matt -- breaking news!!!

bruin99 (201 posts)  10/27/2012 10:55 PM

Westbrook will move back up to 7 assists, but TOs will increase to 3.8-3.9 as he will take over whatever ball-handling duties Harden had, solidifying him as the #4 pick.

Harden is going to get to about 19-20 points, FG% will drop to like 46.5-47.0%, Reb 4-5, Asst 4-5, but TOs will go up to just over 2.5.  He will also get to the line 1-1.5 times more and his minutes will be 35-36.  I think he solidifies a top 15 rating, and if he can get to 21-22 points without seriously hurting FG%, then he can be top 10.  What worries me is he ran the second unit for about 1/2 the time he was on the floor, which means the opposing defenses were likely the second unit as well.  So part of the reason he was so efficient was he was facing their 2nd team, what happens when he leads the 1st team against the opponents 1st team all game long and the opponets are keying on him?  The projection I put in ranked him at #7, but I think that's overly optomistic. 

I think Lin will lose an Asst or 2, and about 0.25-0.5 TOs.  A slight hit.  I think the Houston supporting cast gets a slight bump since Harden can create better for them than Martin could.

jfantonio (12 posts)  10/28/2012 8:12 AM

I got Harden with my 30th pick, 9-cat H2H league.  

A lot of great points above.  Personally, I think the efficiency hit (FG% and TO) will neutralize the boost in counting stats and his overall value will net about the same.

In 8-cat, I think the trade is a boost to his overall value - no question.

nms24 (17 posts)  11/3/2012 5:44 PM

Umm, i think it is time to upate the projection.  

After watching both games, I guess I'm in the believer camp.  I got in a heated debate with a friend last night and we wound up with a bid/ask of 25-30.  I guess maybe his is shot is unusually hot right now, but I think he is going to challenge for 30 most nights.  

n.mollov (2 posts)  11/5/2012 10:05 PM

I agree with nms24 regarding the upade on his projections

I know they recently got updated but... as it is now, he is projected to take about 15 shots a game and play 36 mins...He is currently averaging almost 42 mins and almost 23 shots. Both of these will fall but no way do they fall to the projected 36 and 15. Who will be taking shots form him on this Houston roster? Patrick Patterson? Parsons? Both of these guys stunk up joint the last game jacking up a lot of shots. Unless the Rockets get another bonafide big time player, Harden will continue taking around 20 shots a game and probably play 39 or so minutes (helloooo Daequan Cook is his backup!). He is also averaging almost 7 3pt shots a game which is 2 more than last year and he isn't shooting them as well. That % is bound to go up.

I am not saying he ends up with 35 a night but i think 26-27/6/6 is where he ends the year. He is not as athletic as Kobe and Dwayne but The Beard has an off the charts basketball IQ, great handle and most importantly for fantasy basketball he is currently a three-down back/goal line back/franchise back rolled into one. His usage rate will end up giving him those stats