Cap. (518 posts)  9/20/2012 9:51 AM

What do you guys realistically project for him, cause I could honestly see him in the running for ROY this year (surprise surprise).  Not sure he's going to be given such a healthy dose of minutes, but his per-minute production upside has a ton of upside.  Take a look at his career achievements so far:

-2008 FIBA Under-16 Gold medalist and tournament MVP, averaged 14.3 PTS, 11.1 REB, and 2.3 BLK in 23.5 MIN.

-2010 FIBA Under-18 Gold medalist and tournament MVP, averaged 19.4 PTS, 13.4 REB, and 2.7 BLK.

-2011 FIBA Under-19 Gold medalist and tournament MVP, averaged 23.0 PTS, 13.9 REB, and 3.2 BLK in 31 MIN.

-2011 FIBA Young Men's Player of the Year.

Sure, he will have to adjust to the NBA and will have growing pains, but it's not like he hasn't played against veteran NBA centers before (Brezec, Kirilenko, Krstic, Khryapa) so I'd say he's as NBA ready as anyone his age, and would feel comfortable projecting his floor at 13.5 PTS, 7.5 REB, 1.8 BLK on .500% and .750% shooting, not bad for a 13th round pick.  As for his ceiling, don't ask. 

power101 (327 posts)  9/20/2012 10:38 AM

Cap... i would personally be very concerned about foul trouble with the guy. I see a very uneven season for him due to this, and I know that his per-minute production overseas is strong, but not sure that is going to translate in the NBA. Don't get me wrong...long term I feel good about him, and maybe even second half of this upcoming season, but I see more 9-10ppg, 6rbs, 1 blk, 50ish FG, with higher then normal TO's for a big man as the floor. Not sure how his FT% will be, where did you come up with 75% FT? FIBA stats I assume? If you are on point with that one, that is a nice little bonus.

That being said, I do like his ceiling if he does get 27+ minutes or more, and the Raps do want this guy to work out, so the playing time is there if he can stay out of foul trouble. I would certainly give him a long look in rds 12 and 13.

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  9/20/2012 10:43 AM

Jonas should see a lot of time with AAron Gray the only real other center on the team. Still Toronto has a lot of bigs. Bargs is the key. if Bargs could play center it would allow Ed Davis to finally get a real shot. Amir, Davis look like they SOL backing up Bargs at PF though. Any starter in the NBA is draft worthy. Toronto has revamped their roster this year bringing in Jonas, Fields, Lowry to help DD and Bargs. Jonas should be fine in rebounds, Bargs is allergic to them. Toronto has great depth and may actually challenge for the 8th playoff spot. Course Miami in 3.

joshleip22 (5 posts)  9/20/2012 10:48 AM

If JV is available in Rd 12 you can sign me up. Although I believe his point production will hover closer to 9-10ppg. I really look forward to seeing his acclaimed high motor in action.

Cap. (518 posts)  9/20/2012 11:01 AM

Foul trouble is always a concern for rookies, but the Raps have more than enough depth to keep a steady rotation going (which isn't always a bad thing), so while he might not approach 30 MPG, he should do enough with the minutes he's given to warrant a spot on your bench at least, and could be a sneaky source of above-average blocks, certainly more than 1.0, the guy has a wingspan of 7'-6"!  Maybe I was a bit too ambitious on his points, but he's going to get a lot of offensive rebounds, and he has the talent to score in the paint, and get to the line, where he shot 78-79% consistently in FIBA, so don't be surprised if he gets 10+ easily.

mbuser (4326 posts)  9/20/2012 11:19 AM

Jonas will clearly be in the rotation, but he's going to foul often. There are worse late picks for FC depth, but setting those numbers as his floor is vintage Cap.

Cap. (518 posts)  9/20/2012 12:09 PM

Getting 10 points isn't that hard in the NBA if you're getting 25-27 minutes consistently, and he will likely spend most of his time on the floor next to Bargnani, so pulling down 6 or 7 boards a game should be easy for him.  He's also going to post more than 1.5 blocks a game, I would put money on it.  Not to mention he's actually shot around .650% and 79% in his career so far, so I don't think my projections are really that off.  What do you think his floor is this year?

power101 (327 posts)  9/20/2012 12:32 PM

Cap...if this guy is getting into foul trouble the majority of games, and is both seeing around 20-22 minutes a game, plus is cautious about playing aggressive and going for blks BECAUSE of the foul trouble, ALL of which could happen for a raw young rookie, as we saw in the Olympics, then I hope your not putting tons of cash down on 1.5 blks.

Hey...I am not putting money down on the fact that he WONT do 1.5 blks. He could. That is his upside this year, I agree fully. But when talking about his floor...his floor is not 1.5 blks. his floor is 1. His upside is 1.5 blks.

And getting 10 pts isnt hard in the nba in 25-27 minutes? I have a friend I want you to meet...his name is Serge Ibaka.

power101 (327 posts)  9/20/2012 12:33 PM

By the way, I am a raps guy. I will be VERY happy with you being right about 1.5 blks and everything else. This is a situation where I hope you get to say "i told you so" in 6 months time.

Cap. (518 posts)  9/20/2012 12:56 PM

I'd also like to introduce a few friends, their names are Kevin Durant, James Harden, and Russell Westbrook.  The Raptors don't only want Valanciunas to score, but they need him to, and he's not a bad option, as his multiple MVPs will show.  If Greg Steimsma and Ekpe Udoh can average +1.5 blocks a game in 20 minutes or less then Valanciunas shouldn't have much trouble swatting a few layups from Mario Chalmers or Kirk Hinrich.  Maybe it's more of an over/under than a floor, but I'm taking the over there.

bruin99 (201 posts)  9/20/2012 3:20 PM

Dwight Howards rookie year:

12 pts, 10 reb, 1.7 blk, 52%/67% in 32.5 minutes.

The top 2 rookie centers in the last 5 years:

Brook Lopez in 2008:

13 pts, 8 reb, 1.9 blk, 53%/79% in 30.5 minutes.

Demarcus Cousins in 2010:

14.1 pts, 8.6 Reb, 0.8 blk, 43%/69% in 28.5 minutes.

Given that Toronto has a pretty substantial center logjam, Ed Davis, Amir Johnson & Aaron Gray (all not very good) but each still averaged around 20 minutes a game, those are some pretty aggressive FLOOR numbers.  Those numbers would likely be better than any center in the last 5 years and better than today's most dominant center's rookie year (Howard) on a per-36 basis.

Furthermore, on the Lithuanian Olympic team the guy only got 12 minutes a game and averaged 4 points and 4 boards.  If this guy could barely get off the bench for the Lithuanian team, I'm not sure he's going to put up better per 36 numbers than all those guys I mentioned above. 

Cap. (518 posts)  9/20/2012 5:34 PM

Amir Johnson and Aaron Gray are backups, the bulk of the big man minutes will go to Bargnani, Valanciunas, and Davis, that is the future of this team and that's who wil play the most.  And yes, I do think he's better than any C in the past 5 years or so, the concensus was that if he went in this year's draft he would have gone 2nd overall, so if you think Brook Lopez can reach those numbers but Jonas can't then just wait and see.

bruin99 (201 posts)  9/20/2012 8:40 PM

Yes the bulk of minutes will go to Bargnani, Valanciunas and Davis with some minutes going to the rest.  Brook Lopez did reach those numbers and had the best rookie fantasy production as a center in the last 5 years.  The main difference is Brook Lopez got 30.5 minutes, people in this thread are predicting between 20-27 minutes for Valanciunas.  Valanciunas' ceiling might be higher than Brook Lopez's rookie year, but if you are predicting his floor is the best rookie season for a center in the last 6 years (fantasy speaking) even while getting between 10%-33% fewer minutes, then can I have some of that kool-aid you're drinking? 

Re-reading some of your posts I see you changed it from floor to over/under, nonethelss I'm just saying that's still the most aggressive over/under for a fantasy rookie center.

Cap. (518 posts)  9/20/2012 9:45 PM

Haha, not sure if you're from busersports or not, but admittedly, I have a bit of a homer bias when it comes to Raptors, and that said, you will never change my mind no matter how many losing seasons we have!  But yeah, I admit my initial projection was a big high in some regard, but, I really do think he has the potential to be the best rookie center in the last few years, so whatever Lopez, or Cousins did, I think JV will compete.  He really is NBA-ready, so I think as long as he doesn't foul out, he'll get plenty of minutes, and the fans will demand it.  I've never been so anxious to see two players coexist before as I do Bargnani and Valanciunas, so the reward is definitely worth the risk.

mbuser (4326 posts)  9/20/2012 10:31 PM

Yeah, you are supposed to attempt to be realistic when you talk about a comfortable floor. You more-or-less said that a fifth-round impact is a worst-case scenario. A true floor would take into decent per-36 production but a high foul rate, so something like 8/4/0.8 in ~18 minutes. From there you can say he's got upside to beat those per-minute numbers and may stay out of foul trouble for the most part, so you scale up.

CJ89 (32 posts)  10/5/2012 12:35 AM

Where would you draft him in a keeper league and who do you project him to be like?

lipperskoal (1 posts)  10/6/2012 4:22 PM

I cannot believe some of the high projections that you posted on Jonas Valancuinas. Jonas is going to be a great player in the NBA at some point in his career, but to think that he will have an immediate impact, much the same as D12, Lopez and DMC, is absolutely ludicrous. 25-27 minutes a night? Getting 10 points in the NBA is easy? WOW! 

Jonas is very raw to say the least. He will start in the rotation (10-15 minutes in the first couple of weeks), but clearly there are better options at the center position that Dwayne Casey will employ once the season gets into the grind. Casey is infatuated with Aaron Gray, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him start. Ed Davis and Amir Johnson need to showcase themselves to Bryan and other GM's in the league and their talent level far exceeds Jonas', if we are talking today. Bargnani, easily, will average around 30-35 minutes a night. So I do not see where these 25-27 minutes a night are going to come from. 

Best case scenario: 

1. He and Calderon create a dream-type pick-and-roll combo that exceeds the one that Calderon and Johnson have and he starts to eat into the minutes of Amir. 

2. One of Davis or Amir get traded.

3. One of Amir or Davis get hurt.

If the Raps struggle, which they most likely will, I will maybe look for Valancuinas on the waiver wire come H2H playoff time and hope the Casey starts playing him when the games mean nothing. For all that being said, draft Kevin Seraphin instead.

CJ89 (32 posts)  10/6/2012 5:34 PM

Again, where would you draft him in  a keeper league?

mbuser (4326 posts)  10/6/2012 6:08 PM

That's completely open-ended, so... where you draft other rookies that will be fairly productive within a few seasons. settings? how many are you keeping? overall as if drafting all players from scratch? or relative to other rookies?

CJ89 (32 posts)  10/6/2012 6:23 PM

Matt for this keeper league... http://basketballmonster.com/MessageTopic.aspx?topic=318

Cap. (518 posts)  10/7/2012 10:51 AM

I can't wait for the season to start so you can all eat your words.

power101 (327 posts)  10/12/2012 8:55 PM

Good news out of Toronto tonight... Jonas played 29 minutes and only had three fouls!

Sure it was against detroit in a pre season game, but Jonas was moving around smoothly, and playing good controlled defense. Fouls will still be an issue at times with him this year, but I feel safer today saying 30 minutes a game then I did yesterday.

po1ntgod (17 posts)  10/12/2012 11:48 PM

Not sure Cap gets what floor means. If by floor he means ceiling I agree.

boombaby (25 posts)  10/13/2012 3:49 AM

Reports of Toronto starting Aaron Gray at center is just ridiculous. Colangelo can't even hide his love for Valanciunas. I am always picking him late in drafts, he goes very much unnoticed. 

power101 (327 posts)  10/13/2012 8:26 AM

sadly...i live in toronto, and in a league with toronto guys. Valanciunas wont go unnoticed in ours. If I want him, I might have to consider him in my 10/11 picks

boombaby (25 posts)  10/13/2012 3:14 PM

@# 26172: Yeah, that's the only time someone grabs Valanciunas before I do, by Raptor fans. 

power101 (327 posts)  10/18/2012 1:25 PM

Another pre season game, 8 pts, 8brds, 3 blks (i think) good shooting, 4 fouls.

vincesquad (2 posts)  10/18/2012 8:37 PM

Draft him with confidence in late rounds.  I wouldn't be so bold as to try to suggest his 'floor' or 'ceiling' production level, but he's showing confidence, skill, and aggressiveness in preseason games.  He's going to get the playing time, and foul trouble is the only thing stopping him from a productive rookie year.

This kid is for real.  Don't miss out.

(ok...enough beating around the bush. I project him for roughly 7ppg, 8rpg, 0.3 spg, 2bpg, .500 fg%, .775 ft%, and a whole lot of fouls)

Fenris-77 (17 posts)  10/18/2012 10:03 PM

A couple of points. Valanciunas has shown himself to be an above average to excellent free throw shooter (80 and 90% in Euro and Eurocup play last year). Projecting him for .770's this year is probably low, even as a floor. In a less specific way I think it also mitigates for a higher PPG floor relative to his minutes because unlike a lot of other bigs he'll actually score a lot of points if he gets put on the line. I don't think it's too much to set his floor a 10ppg if we're talking about minutes in the high teens or low twenties to start the season. He's also killer as the roll man, and he scores a really high percenatge around the rim, so I generally expect some seriously efficient offense from him, even right out of the gate. When you put that touch around the basket next to his FT proficiency I think it stacks up pretty well.

I also think it's a little odd to talk about floor as somehow seperate from minutes expectations. The rhetoric out of Toronto all seems to point to Valanciunas getting all the minutes he can handle out of the gate. Those minutes might be mitigated by fouls (almost assuredly) but that doesn't mean he won't be playing low twenties. If that's what he's getting I think some of the projections here are low. So what we're actually arguing about in minutes I guess.

BatlAngl (29 posts)  10/26/2012 3:10 PM

According to a Toronto Star beat writer, Valanciunas will seemingly start at C for the Toronto Raptors when they begin their season on Halloween! Link here.

If so, it may be only fouls that may prevent him from getting the requisite minutes. BBM's projections seem pretty reasonable at 26min/game, but depending on how well he does, that could push the 30 minute mark, which would be a huge boost! 

I know it's only preseason, but he's been averaging 7pts/6.8boards/2blk in only 23.8 min/game! 

I don't know if you could call Cap's projections of 13.5/7.5/1.8blks his floor, but I can definitely see JV surpassing that.

mbuser (4326 posts)  10/26/2012 6:50 PM

Yes, watch those fouls, but also watch those turnovers. He's averaging 4.4 FGA and 2.4 TO, not exactly a desired ratio.

BatlAngl (29 posts)  10/26/2012 10:31 PM

Yah, TO's are high, but I kind of went with a punt TO team, so not as big of a deal.

JV with another decent night of 15/7/1/1 but with 5 fouls and 4 TOs in a little over 20 minutes.

I can take that all day with my 12th pick of the draft! 

Cap. (518 posts)  10/29/2012 12:11 AM

For all the flack I got for putting the Big Lithuanian's floor where I did, I'd say he's done a pretty good job backing me up so far.  Throwing out his very first game ever in the NBA, in the remaining 5 games of the preseason he averaged 9.6 PTS, 8.2 REB, 0.8 STL, and 1.8 BLK on .484% FG (15-31) and .783% FT (18-23) in 25 minutes.  When I said he could average 10+ PTS, 7.5 REB, and 1.8 BLK on .500% and .750% shooting you all basically said I was crazy.  I'd like to hear what you naysayers have to say now.  Matt, those TOs really aren't much more than plenty of other centers around the league, maybe like 0.3 or 0.4 higher, and who cares about TO?  And again, throwing out his first NBA game, he had 6.2 FGA, a bit more respectable, and you have to expect that number to rise as the season gets going.  I admit I may have put his points projection a little high for a floor, but I stand by the rest, and if you're not on the bandwagon yet, you should be.

mbuser (4326 posts)  10/29/2012 12:50 AM

"[I] would feel comfortable projecting his floor at 13.5 PTS, 7.5 REB, 1.8 BLK on .500% and .750% shooting..."

does not equal

"I said he could average 10+ PTS, 7.5 REB, and 1.8 BLK on .500% and .750% shooting."

The first statement remains crazy. The second is not.

Cap. (518 posts)  10/29/2012 1:03 AM

Well, I still think he easily averages at least 7.5 rebounds, ~1.5 blocks, and those %s, so I still believe that's a low-end projection, and it's not crazy, just optimistic.  You put his floor at 4 REB, 0.8 BLK, 18 MIN before, that's crazy!  I understand the concept of a floor is to underestimate but I'd rather project something closer to what he'll actually get with a little room for upside than play it that safe.

power101 (327 posts)  10/29/2012 8:37 AM

ummm dude... i am a val fan, but you might want to wait until the REAL games start before trying to talk like you proved a point. Pre season games against detroit, a grizzlies team that played ONE main starter (tony allen), the wizards, bucks...lets relax until about 5-10 REAL games into the season.

Cap. (518 posts)  10/29/2012 12:11 PM

Actually, I think a PRESEASON projection is best suited before the season begins, and while you might not agree, Detroit, Milwuakee, NY, and Memphis are middle-of-the-pack (or better) teams this year.  Valid point that Memphis was resting their starters, but it's also important to notice certain players outperform their current ADPs in the preseason regardless of their matchups.

Didn't mean to sound argumentative, I was merely pointing out that for all the flack I got (and am still getting apparently), Val's pretty much done exactly what I said he would so far in what could prove to be somewhat limited minutes.  Just wondering if you naysayers' opinions have changed now that you've seen him in action.

A preseason projection of a player's floor should be what people going into drafts this week without any knowledge of the player should expect their minimum production to be.  In this case, do I think he'll average more than 7.5 rebounds a game this year?  Yes.  Do I think he'll average more than 1.8 blocks this year?  Yes.  Do I think he'll shoot higher percentages than .500 and .750?  Yes.  Do I think he'll score more than 10 point a game?  Yes.  So that's his floor in my opinion.  You might not agree with me but at the very least it's not crazy to imagine.  Anybody can put Lebron's floor at 10 PPG, but a good projection comes as close to the real thing without going over.  Price is Right anyone?

kuhler (16 posts)  10/29/2012 12:27 PM

Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but people have no issue with you projecting the stats that you did Cap.  They have an issue with you calling those projections a floor. 

Floor = worst case scenario

However, you are trying to equate Floor with "optimistic" projections and by definition, that is not sound logic.

power101 (327 posts)  10/29/2012 12:29 PM

a PRESEASON projection? huh? I dont understand.

Basically, you put the guys floor at very high numbers across the board.

"When I said he could average 10+ PTS, 7.5 REB, and 1.8 BLK on .500% and .750% shooting you all basically said I was crazy."

I dont think anyone said you were crazy for saying that he COULD do that...because he could! Everyone knows that he COULD. You were crazy for saying that his FLOOR is "13.5 PTS, 7.5 REB, 1.8 BLK on .500% and .750%". His floor is suppose to represent worst case scenario. And you said that before he played ANY preseason games that his worst case scenerio was borderline all-star level! So, for example, I said his floor was  "9-10ppg, 6rbs, 1 blk, 50ish FG," which meant I expected that to be the worst case scenario for the guy this season.

If I missed someone saying something super negative about the guy, fair enough, but from what I see, no one needs to change their opinion of the guy! Everyone said that the guy has potential. What everyone was doing was being realistic about what his worst case scenario could be, BEFORE the preseason started.

Oh... and detroit is not a middle ot the pack team (raps played them twice), nor really is the bucks. Again, 5-10 games into regular season is needed before really bragging about anything.

Cap. (518 posts)  10/29/2012 12:30 PM

Sorry, I might have edited my previous response after you replied.  Again, I understand a floor is a low-end projection, but it should be somewhat close to the real thing without going over, and anything above that is upside.  In his case I think he finishes all those categories above my projection, so that's what I'd consider his floor.  If he finishes any of them below that I'll be the first to say I was wrong, but I really think he's that talented, and I'm really trying to push my bias aside.  I'm not equating floor with optimistic projection, I just have an optimistic floor.

power101 (327 posts)  10/29/2012 12:35 PM

My understanding is the term floor is the most realistic worse case scenerio.

Barring injuries, lebron james floor would be 23ppg, 5.5 rbs, 5 asts, 1.1 stls, 0.5 blks, 47% fg, 75 ft. (or something like that). that is the most realistic worse case scenerio for the guy. His ceiling would be 31ppg, 9rbs, 9 asts, 2.1 stls, 1.3 blks, 55% fg, 82ft, that is the most realistic best case scenerio. So in the end, you can expect his numbers to be somewhere in between. IMO, that is the point of doing floor/ceiling.

power101 (327 posts)  10/29/2012 12:44 PM

oh and by the way cap...i am also a raps guy, and i have also been quite happy with val's play so far. I am not going to go so far to say he is all-star ready in year one, but the guy is legit, and going to be a great player for toronto in the years to come. But I also take pre-season games with a huge grain of salt. I want to see what he does in regular season here.

Cap. (518 posts)  10/29/2012 12:51 PM

We might have a slightly different idea of what a floor is, and I admit I have an optimistic floor, but those aren't all star numbers, and I certainly don't think it's crazy to expect them as a minimum.  If you read my original post I said not to ask me what I think his ceiling is because if you all thought my floor projection was crazy..

I guess it all depends on how safe you want to play it.  Like I said, anyone can predict he'll average at least 5 rebounds, but how does that help us?  I want to know what he's actually going to get without the upside, that's what I consider a floor, not an absolute worst case scenario.  Give me a real projection and leave room for upside.

kuhler (16 posts)  10/29/2012 12:52 PM

I also disagree with Cap's notion that the preseason is an important statistical indicator.   I, for one, would never base a regular season prediction on preseason stats.   You have to acknowledge that they are against inferior competition and in a setting where the main focus for a coach/team isn't actually to win the game.  Cap, what is your prediction for the Lakers regular season record?

Cap. (518 posts)  10/29/2012 1:01 PM

Well clearly the Raptors are on track to go 76-6 and the Lakers will go 0-82.  Actually, you're right to a certain extent, but this isn't preseason NFL we're talking about here, most players are fighting for minutes, and some for jobs, and for the most part, coaches are tinkering with actual lineups trying to figure out how to maximize production and chemistry.  Sure, it's not as important for veterans like Nash or Josh Smith to compete at a high level, I don't think anyone's worried about them coming out of the gate, but for younger players, rookies in particular, it's actually a pretty good preview of how their games might translate into fantasy value.  Granted, it's a very small sample size, but you can't tell me you're not dropping Kawhi Leonard, or Kidd-Gilchrist down a peg or three in your draft, or  bumping Valanciunas and Mullens up a few notches.  So, there are certainly some things to take away from these pointless games, don't you think?

kuhler (16 posts)  10/29/2012 1:10 PM

Agree.  There are definitely take aways from games that could lead to a bump here or there.  However, nothing to make make me say I told you so about any predictions I might have made about regular season stats (since the regular season hasn't happened yet).

Your Raptors love is truly admirable.

power101 (327 posts)  10/29/2012 1:19 PM

funny thing was that I was going to reach for val in rd 8 (12 x 13 league) knowing that it was abit high because, again, it was just preseason, but what the heck...i did like what I saw. Sadly I am in a toronto based fantasy league, and someone beat me to the punch by about 8 picks.

Cap. (518 posts)  10/29/2012 1:23 PM

I never said I told you so, I said "for all the flack I got Val is doing a good job backing me up so far", that's all.  Admitedly though, I am excited for the giant I TOLD YOU SO you're gonna get at the end of the season.  Of course I have been wrong before, but all I have to say is REGGIE EVANS!!! 

Cap. (518 posts)  10/29/2012 1:26 PM

I have a Toronto-based league draft tonight also, so I probably won't reach that far for him, but I'll take a serious look at him in rounds 9-10 in all my other leagues if I need blocks.

Cap. (518 posts)  4/2/2013 3:22 PM

Past 7 games:  15.3 PTS, 8.6 REB, 2.0 BLK, .652% FG, .808% FT - 34th overall rank during that span.  He took a while to get going this year, and was derailed by a 20-game absence, but he's finally hitting that floor I gave him. 

mbuser (4326 posts)  4/2/2013 3:36 PM

His per-36s on the season pretty much line up with those floor projections you gave:

[BkRef]

Cap. (518 posts)  4/2/2013 3:54 PM

I am definitely conceding the fact that my floor projection over the entire season was way off (at least for PTS, REB, & BLK), but I do wonder where he would have ended up had he not missed those 20 games in the middle.  Irregardlessly, I am man enough to admit when I am wrong, however, 1) he did sustain a pretty serious injury, and 2) if you asked me again now what I think his floor currently is, I would unapologetically say it's right around what I projected it to be before! 

mbuser (4326 posts)  4/2/2013 4:05 PM

Excellent rookie numbers, particularly given that he's just shy of his 21st birthday. The future is bright.

dasein (614 posts)  4/2/2013 4:26 PM

Yup, we can now start speculating where he's going to bolt to once he hits free agency. 

Cap. (518 posts)  4/2/2013 4:56 PM

Why on Earth would he want to leave the defending NBA champions?

rico381 (279 posts)  4/3/2013 9:53 AM

Irregardlessly,

*twitches*

Cap. (518 posts)  4/3/2013 12:11 PM

I hope you realize I made that word up on purpose, because I don't want to sound dumb and have you not listen to my advice!