ivicwong (11 posts)  11/6/2012 11:08 PM

12 Teams 13 Per Team [9 Active = pts 3 reb ast stl blk fg% ft% to]

Own	Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	toV
	1	7	0.41	Harden, James		HOU	SG/SF	77		36.0	23.5	2.0	4.7	4.6	1.2	0.3	0.463	15.9	0.848	7.9	2.9	2.11	1.58	-0.38	0.65	0.58	-0.67	-0.36	1.61	-1.41
	2	13	0.34	Jefferson, Al		UTA	PF/C	76		33.0	17.0	0.0	9.1	2.2	0.7	1.7	0.497	15.1	0.766	2.6	1.0	0.63	-1.08	1.27	-0.39	-0.79	1.51	0.66	-0.06	1.26
	2	16	0.27	Batum, Nicolas		POR	SG/SF	74		35.0	15.8	2.1	5.3	1.8	1.1	1.0	0.455	12.6	0.840	2.7	1.6	0.36	1.69	-0.14	-0.57	0.21	0.47	-0.50	0.47	0.41
	2	23	0.23	Ilyasova, Ersan		MIL	PF	77		33.0	15.4	1.1	10.1	1.5	0.9	0.8	0.473	11.9	0.789	3.8	1.4	0.25	0.28	1.64	-0.70	-0.25	0.12	-0.03	0.15	0.65
	4	37	0.18	Dragic, Goran		PHO	PG	76		36.0	16.7	1.6	3.7	7.8	1.7	0.3	0.451	12.8	0.803	4.5	3.2	0.56	0.94	-0.77	2.10	1.62	-0.76	-0.59	0.36	-1.83
	4	38	0.17	Leonard, Kawhi		SAS	SG/SF	76		28.0	10.7	1.1	6.1	1.4	1.6	0.4	0.495	8.4	0.799	1.7	0.9	-0.81	0.30	0.13	-0.74	1.36	-0.52	0.34	0.11	1.36
	4	48	0.11	Faried, Kenneth		DEN	PF	76		28.1	13.1	0.0	9.4	1.0	1.0	1.3	0.590	8.5	0.663	4.6	1.5	-0.28	-1.08	1.36	-0.93	-0.09	0.93	1.90	-1.39	0.61
	5	60	0.06	Holiday, Jrue		PHI	PG	77		35.0	14.5	1.2	3.5	6.3	1.6	0.3	0.444	12.9	0.793	2.3	2.4	0.05	0.45	-0.82	1.42	1.46	-0.67	-0.76	0.12	-0.72
	7	84	-0.05	Lillard, Damian		POR	PG	75		34.0	14.9	1.4	3.7	5.9	1.3	0.1	0.428	11.8	0.868	3.9	2.9	0.15	0.77	-0.76	1.25	0.66	-1.01	-1.07	1.00	-1.47
	8	94	-0.10	Asik, Omer		HOU	C	77		32.0	10.5	0.0	10.8	1.1	1.0	2.2	0.555	7.4	0.525	4.4	2.2	-0.86	-1.08	1.90	-0.88	-0.08	2.37	1.15	-3.02	-0.43
	10	115	-0.18	Davis, Glen		ORL	PF/C	76		33.3	17.1	0.0	8.0	1.2	1.1	0.4	0.459	15.3	0.707	4.3	1.7	0.64	-1.02	0.85	-0.86	0.19	-0.47	-0.48	-0.79	0.33
	11	130	-0.24	Beasley, Michael		PHO	SF/PF	74		32.0	16.4	1.1	6.1	1.9	0.8	0.7	0.443	14.8	0.754	3.0	2.5	0.49	0.37	0.16	-0.54	-0.60	-0.12	-0.92	-0.17	-0.84
	16	192	-0.45	Calderon, Jose		TOR	PG	67		18.0	5.6	0.6	1.6	4.8	0.5	0.1	0.455	4.8	0.887	0.7	1.1	-1.98	-0.29	-1.55	0.77	-1.13	-1.08	-0.17	0.21	1.16
Own	Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	toV
			0.74	Avg Stats/Total Values				75		31.8	14.7	0.9	6.3	3.2	1.1	0.7	0.472	11.7	0.763	3.6	1.9	1.31	1.83	2.89	0.59	3.14	0.13	-1.00	-1.28	-0.92
			0.36	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				75		31.6	15.0	0.8	6.7	3.2	1.0	0.8	0.477	11.9	0.746	3.8	2.0	1.61	-0.92	3.66	0.65	0.91	1.18	0.27	-2.89	-1.21

So, i dropped jonas for calderon and i have bogut on the waivers (i have #1 waiver). Who should i drop for bogut? or should i even bother picking him up at all?

ferris (307 posts)  11/6/2012 11:21 PM

i'd leave bogut alone and preserve your waiver

deefor3 (26 posts)  11/7/2012 8:03 AM

Stand pat. Someone is bound to make a mistake when they panic. #1 on waiver's is fantasy gold.

ivicwong (11 posts)  11/7/2012 5:10 PM

alright, thanks

misterjwei@yahoo.com (27 posts)  11/13/2012 2:19 PM

Rotoworld is saying lowry is getting 2nd opinion and that the injury could be more serious then it was led to be?? Buser any inside source??

ajcollector9290 (28 posts)  11/14/2012 2:43 AM

starting to get really nervous. praying this dude comes back saturday

chipchop (9 posts)  11/14/2012 1:53 PM

the raptors dont play until saturday so, i'm also praying he comes back soon. also dont want him to rush, because i live in toronto!!

chipchop (9 posts)  11/14/2012 1:54 PM

kind of nervous as well.

mgustafson (24 posts)  11/14/2012 2:15 PM

I snagged Calderon in a league after hearing Lowry was going for a 2nd opinion. Worked out well for last night at least.

hsahardid (50 posts)  11/14/2012 4:16 PM

Someone drafted Calderon in my league and is holding onto him whether or Lowry plays.  I would've definitely picked him up short term otherwise and then waive him as soon Lowry came back.

ferris (307 posts)  11/14/2012 7:11 PM

lowry is definitel a "foundational" player for me

loganb7 (21 posts)  11/15/2012 9:03 AM

Very Very concerning that there is still no news given that he got another MRI on Tuesday. I am preparing for the worst.

COH

itsab_YFantasy (58 posts)  11/15/2012 9:14 AM

damn...no news might mean bad news...

Cap. (518 posts)  11/15/2012 9:40 AM

Guys, relax, its an ankle sprain, probably the most common injury for basketball players. The only question here is if it a low sprain or a high sprain, its not like he sought a second opinion because he broke his foot. We have to look at this in a worst case scenario point of view now until we hear otherwise. Even if he sits for three more weeks, he will certainly be back to full strength by then, and anything before that is bonus.

itsab_YFantasy (58 posts)  11/15/2012 9:44 AM

is it really common to seek a 2nd opinion even if you only sprain your ankle?

Cap. (518 posts)  11/15/2012 9:56 AM

I can't imagine the Raptors' primary physician would diagnose an ankle sprain when it's really a broken foot.  I wouldn't worry about it too much, some sprains take a while to heal.  Plan to be without him for another 2-3 more weeks and you'll be pleasantly surprised.

misterjwei@yahoo.com (27 posts)  11/15/2012 11:47 AM

Bone bruise out 1-2 more weeks

power101 (327 posts)  11/15/2012 12:06 PM

what do you guys think? lowry has missed games a few years in a row, and his style of play is great for fantasy..but bad for being an injury risk.

You guys think he will be good to go the rest of the year? is he to much of an injury risk at this stage?

misterjwei@yahoo.com (27 posts)  11/15/2012 12:12 PM

He is definately a injury risk with the way he plays.  But I think if he is healthy durry end of the year, he will be the type of player thats on many championship teams.  He is putting up crazy numbers.  If he can come back full healthy, I think he is worth waiting reguardless the time frame.

power101 (327 posts)  11/15/2012 12:16 PM

but is he worth trading for?

millsap/mo williams for lowry?

DoomsVille (30 posts)  11/15/2012 1:41 PM

Lowry out another 1-2 weeks with a bone bruise.

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=409545

misterjwei@yahoo.com (27 posts)  11/19/2012 3:16 PM

Lowry is targeting a return in late November, but the Raptors PR department tweeted that it's "hard to speculate" on how long he'll be out. It's a wait-and-see process with how Lowry responds to treatment, but Jose Calderon should continue to roll while Lowry is hurt. Nov 19 - 8:17 AM

>> This is starting to sound worse and worse.  Anyone else feel the raptors are just sitting Lowry and trying to showcase calderon as much as possible?

mbuser (4317 posts)  11/19/2012 3:21 PM

There definitely could be something to that. Lowry is a major part of their future, so no reason to rush him, and Calderon is their one big trade chip, so heavy motivation to get him run while it is possible.

The Score ‏@theScore
Trade Value, Up, Up & AWAY! Jose Calderon averaging 11.8 APG since Lowry went down.

mbuser (4317 posts)  11/20/2012 4:50 PM

So much for that...

Toronto Raptors ‏@Raptors
Kyle Lowry returns to the #Raptors lineup tonight, but will not start according to head coach Dwane Casey.

TheChamp (24 posts)  11/20/2012 5:16 PM

Would you play him tonight or will his minutes be limited so its not worth it?

mbuser (4317 posts)  11/20/2012 5:48 PM

I've got him in one league and he immediately went into the lineup.

ak murthy (196 posts)  11/20/2012 6:43 PM

so what exactly are people "reporting" on when when they gave us that original timetable for Lowry? Sometimes I think the fantasy news people just make stuff up and give their best guesses.

mbuser (4317 posts)  11/20/2012 7:16 PM

Here is a report from the team from five days ago:

RaptorsPR ‏@RaptorsPR
#Raptors Injury Update: Kyle Lowry, bruised cuboid bone on right foot, estimated return 1-2 wks. Currently in walking boot
1:45 PM - 15 Nov 12

In Lowry's case, he's coming back before anyone expected. Nobody in the biz is looking to purposefully misinform, but hopefully anything that is pure speculation is labeled as such.

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  11/20/2012 7:32 PM

Just tripped over Richardson, fell awkwardly on his right foot, he was up and walking around immediately after, doesn't look like he's in too much pain.

DoomsVille (30 posts)  11/21/2012 5:14 PM

Starting again after a strong night yesterday. Looks like all systems are go!

misterjwei@yahoo.com (27 posts)  12/3/2012 9:13 PM

Wow what happened to this guy?  Went from stud to dud.  Jeez...cant even trade him now.

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/3/2012 10:36 PM

Relax. Is this your first year playing or something? He's a stud.

misterjwei@yahoo.com (27 posts)  12/9/2012 4:39 AM

With his recent injury struggles, do you think he will keep playing late into the season if the team is still this bad?  Lowry was reported saying his foot is sore and its still bruised but he will play through it.  And I dont mind him missing a few weeks here or there, but anyway the team just shut him down completely in march and say lets go full blown tank mode?

mbuser (4317 posts)  12/9/2012 2:43 PM

Your hypothetical assumes they'd allow him to play through pain for the next 2.5 months, which would be pure instanity. He's going to play through it because it's not expected to cost him in the long-term - if it doesn't improve within a reasonable length of time or he aggravates it yet again, he'll be rested.

misterjwei@yahoo.com (27 posts)  12/10/2012 3:35 AM

Matt, you mentioned you have him in one of your leagues.  What are you plans for Lowry?  Are you planning to trade asap before bad news come and if so...who are you targeting?  Thnx!

tonika_zr (986 posts)  12/10/2012 3:44 AM

Watched him last couple of  games, def. not his self....

mtofell (18 posts)  12/10/2012 11:24 PM

Left tonight after a terrible 1st half with a sore shoulder - I grabbed Calderon as insurance (pretty nice insurance, actually).

misterjwei@yahoo.com (27 posts)  12/11/2012 3:07 AM

and now its too late to trade him.  rock solid bottom value

mbuser (4317 posts)  12/11/2012 12:52 PM

I have him in an 8-cat roto league, so he'll be on my bench when he's hurt and active when he's healthy. No plans to attempt to deal him. We'll see about this new malady - no substantive updates as of yet.

ak murthy (196 posts)  12/11/2012 5:02 PM

Man, this thread makes me sad.

ajcollector9290 (28 posts)  12/12/2012 10:55 AM

will he play tn? need to know if i should start him or teague

bigbadb (3 posts)  12/12/2012 11:30 AM

no hes out indefintely 

mbuser (4317 posts)  12/12/2012 1:56 PM

MRI today. We await the results.

ak murthy (196 posts)  12/12/2012 3:41 PM

I apologize if something smells bad, because I just crapped my pants. 

tranbryant (11 posts)  12/12/2012 4:47 PM

Indefinitely? Hope it's not bad... 

misterjwei@yahoo.com (27 posts)  12/12/2012 6:04 PM

wow just last week i had a feeling he might get shut down for the team to tank.  I thought feb march shut down...and 1 week later this comes out.  My feelings were right, my timeline was wrong.  They shutting him down now! lol we are all fuked

ferris (307 posts)  12/12/2012 6:11 PM

do you have a news source for this shutdown?

dcdoorknob (206 posts)  12/12/2012 6:13 PM

People don't get shut down (w/o legitimate injury that will keep them out quite a while) in mid-December for the rest of the season.  It's an injury, and he is proving to be injury prone, but come on people stop with the gross overreactions.  Maybe the injury is serious, we don't know yet (although it doesn't sound like it to me...), but if it isn't then Lowry will be back when he's healthy.  

The Raps aren't going to sit Lowry for 3/4ths of the season when he's healthy enough to be playing.  Especially since 1) he's a big piece of their future still, and they'd likely like to have their other pieces get as much chemistry with him as possible, and 2) It's not like they are winning games with him in the lineup anyways.  

Spurlars (10 posts)  12/12/2012 7:47 PM

From the Raptors Twitter feed:

Lowry: partial tear, right triceps. Expected out 10 days. Bargnani: ligament tear, right elbow & strained right wrist. Out indefinitely.

Looking at the Schedules back for the Dec 26th game against the Spurs. That's one week I won't have him. No big deal. This week sucks though.

AZ18 (105 posts)  12/12/2012 8:05 PM

Rue not picking up Calderon of FA the other day damnit! I am happy with my trade for Jonas now though and for picking up Ed Davis, he going to work tonight! Hopefully  he keeps this form up and Amir gets less burn for being a hot head.

MajorMilou (16 posts)  12/19/2012 12:32 PM

Kyle Lowry may return to a bench role... That would not be good for us!!! unless he maintains his minutes and touches, but unlikely... 

Raptors coach Dwane Casey would not rule out sticking with what is working when Kyle Lowry and former first-overall selection Andrea Bargnani return from injury. 'That's way down the road. Jose is playing at a high level right now and we'll cross that bridge later. Kyle is a talented player, he's one of ours and we'll cross that bridge. I don't want to do anything that will hurt our chemistry and I don't think Kyle will, but we'll see when we get there.'

No news of when he would come back, also... way down the road? I was hoping in a week! 

mbuser (4317 posts)  12/19/2012 6:37 PM

Lowry is this team's future at the point, and Calderon is an outgoing trade asset. I don't see that move lasting more than a few games, if it were to be tried at all. Casey does need some wins to stabilize his employment, though..

bschaar (15 posts)  12/21/2012 5:37 PM

Any idea when he'll suit up? He got hurt on 12/11 and there was a ten day timetable. So what gives?

mbuser (4317 posts)  12/21/2012 5:40 PM

Raptors are off for the next four days, so there was no reason to attempt to him back tonight. We'll see if he practices over the next few days and what the results are.

ajcollector9290 (28 posts)  12/28/2012 12:54 PM

with him returning to a bench role, would you guys start him or teague tn? need opinions

Petrocelli (301 posts)  12/28/2012 12:58 PM

I would start teague tonight, and wait to see how Lowry performs.

ajcollector9290 (28 posts)  1/13/2013 1:56 PM

this is getting pretty frustrating. i drafted lowry in rd 4 thinking i got a steal, possibly a top 30 fantasy player. i know his ranking is still high but he simply hasn't been getting it done lately -- mainly due to lack of minutes. This calderon/lowry situation is really pissing me off, and it seems calderson has officially taken over the role for the Toronto Raports pg (both the starter and the one to play 30+ minutes).

Mbuser, your thoughts on this changing? Is lowry a lost cause? He is/was so vital to my team, and it makes it especially frustrating knowing what he is capable of when given minutes.

garyhu (84 posts)  1/14/2013 8:19 AM

Honestly at this rate, I feel like one of the point guards will get traded. Whoever they are benching, they are wasting talent.

mbuser (4317 posts)  1/14/2013 2:54 PM

Ryan Wolstat ‏@WolstatSun
I love what Calderon has been doing, but Lowry's a better player and the Raptors gave up a lot to make him the man. Jose's not the future

Ryan Wolstat ‏@WolstatSun
Bottom line is Lowry needs to find a balance, play with it and prove what on paper is true: He is the better PG and should be the starter

A lost cause? No. All I can do is tell you to be patient. The only other option is to trade him and then watch him do really well for someone else's team down the stretch.

tonika_zr (986 posts)  1/16/2013 12:35 AM

And he is down again...not even 10 days this guy cant stay injury free... 3rd year running.

mbuser (4317 posts)  1/16/2013 12:39 AM

toni, you are very close to earning a new nickname:

Cheer up, buddy! Injuries happen! We'll get through this together!

tonika_zr (986 posts)  1/16/2013 1:29 AM

Debbie or not, I will repeat again: I'm always calm, never angry,sad,disappointed or anything similar. Many times others conclude wrongly & incorrect that I'm (which is not the case) like you this time (I know you are kidding but also know to read between the lines, I think). In any of the 8 leagues I do not have Lowry (neither I'm Raptors fan) I dont have a reason to be happy or sad/angry bc of his status, if he miss one game or next 2 seasons=wouldnt have any affect on me, just stating the obvious-he cant stay healthy, thats all.

twilo28 (212 posts)  1/16/2013 4:41 AM

WAH-WAHHHHH

tonika_zr (986 posts)  1/16/2013 5:03 PM

wah,wah!!

He is playing tonite (Calderon also).

twilo28 (212 posts)  1/30/2013 7:47 PM

Wow! This trade is great news considering that I have Lowry on about 20 of my 30 fantasy teams. 

And now for Kyle Lowry BEAST MODE rest of the season. (Get on my hands and knees and pray to God that he says injury free)

brandonislegend (115 posts)  2/11/2013 12:34 AM

Should I trade Ty Lawson for Kyle Lowry? 

twilo28 (212 posts)  2/11/2013 10:19 AM

Ask yourself, do you feel lucky? Punk. Well, do ya? Lawson = Safer, probably less of a chance he finishes the rest of the season as a top 8 player. Lowry = Riskier, but could be an animal down the stretch IF HE CAN STAY HEALTHY.

discocricket (11 posts)  2/20/2013 11:54 PM

So....Lowry has been mediocre since the trade. Does Gay really affect the TOR offense that much? I thought I was so smart picking Houston's 2011-2012 PG combo of Dragic and Lowry at value prices. Both have been disappointing this season.

mbuser (4317 posts)  2/21/2013 10:53 AM

They've replaced a gaggle of role players with one of the league's higest usage rates, so there will most certainly be an adjustment process.

crucified77 (21 posts)  3/10/2013 2:44 PM

There are too many shooters on the Rapters for Lowry to shine as bright as early in the year.  Gay fires them up at alarming rate, DeRozen, Anderson, Bargani (wait he's injured again), who else.  Watched the game vs. LA and saw Lowry be successful in the clutch driving into the lane to get it to OT on FT's but they don't go to him.  He may take a 3 but they go to guys like Anderson, Gay, and maybe DeRozen.  He needs to hit those uncontested 3's and get more points in the paint but maybe he's limitted (not Tony Parker or even a skilled speedster).  It is interesting that he doesn't play more than 30 minutes on average. Interesting to see how Lucas seems to score a bit easier than him somehow.  

mbuser (4317 posts)  3/10/2013 4:51 PM

Yes, his usage% is way down. At least the rest of the counting stats have stayed solid. Gay is in league-leading usage% territory since he arrived:

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nickb739 (16 posts)  3/17/2013 3:02 PM

Absolutely brutal stretch for KLOE recently. Consistent steals and blocks make him hard to drop but he looks to be turning into  a FG% killer with little upside in points or threes post-Rudy. How are people ranking him for next year?

tonika_zr (986 posts)  3/17/2013 4:01 PM

He would not be on any of my list. With DRZ & Gay he have no room to be nowhere close what he can really do (to put his FG% a side).

mbuser (4317 posts)  3/17/2013 4:20 PM

Sure a brutal stretch these past three games, highlighted by today's stinker. But here's his numbers from Rudy Gay's other 16 games with the Raptors.

Obviously he's not going to be the elite contributor that he's been, but I doubt he'll need to be stricken from your draft boards.