ttepper (36 posts)  11/4/2012 4:54 AM

What to do with him...? He has been awful his first two games and i dont know where he is going. Cant trade him, cant drop him! Will he get better or is he a bust... hate to see my fifth round pick go to waste! Please advise me on what to do and when is a good time to drop him!

Petrocelli (301 posts)  11/4/2012 8:35 AM

Hold on to hiim.  He's a good player and he should improve. 

fuchacha (13 posts)  11/4/2012 10:10 AM

its only the 1st week.....in fact, i'm trying to trade for him in many leagues...

ttepper (36 posts)  11/4/2012 12:23 PM

wow good to hear... thanks guys!

xevo (26 posts)  11/7/2012 10:19 PM

I know this guy showed us some great potentials last year. But he is terrible up till now. Buck's frontcourt is crowded too. Drop or wait?

mbuser (4316 posts)  11/7/2012 10:29 PM

Three games with 24 mpg isn't enough to drop him unless your league rosters about 60 players... but I'm really not sure what Skiles is up to.

Gery Woelfel ‏@GeryWoelfel
Ersan Ilyasova just 3 minutes in second half. Strange.

AZ18 (105 posts)  11/7/2012 10:40 PM

Typical Skiles! I have Ersan in every league. Have to be patient on this one unfortunately 

tonika_zr (986 posts)  11/8/2012 5:22 AM

Skiles... one more of Avery, Smart group... They payed like 40,50 millions to sit on the bench...

dasein (606 posts)  11/9/2012 7:19 PM

The shots will start falling eventually, but what the hell happened to Ersanity's rebounding? I bought up heavilly this year too, so success hinges on him getting it together and this isn't a comfortable ride at the moment.

On a related note- how much longer can Skiles keep this job? Bucks seem to underpreform relative to expectations every year, and he's the type of coach that players tune out after a couple of years anyway. D'Antoni with this roster =  fun-squared. 

fbroto (164 posts)  11/11/2012 7:00 AM

Do you buy low on him? Offer Jamal Crawford? (9cat)

patentboy23 (57 posts)  11/11/2012 10:45 AM

I would buy low for the right price.  Don't know if it was a buy low but I gave up Mo WIll and Hibbert for Dragic and Illy

mbuser (4316 posts)  11/11/2012 10:55 AM

Skiles on Ilyasova last night:

"He's got a lot of movement going on right now. Sometimes the best thing to do is leave him alone and let him work himself out. It gets in his head a little bit. But he's shooting the ball, his feet are moving, he's drifting all over the place, just not real solid right now. He's just got to make sure it doesn't affect other parts of his game and hope they start going in for him."

link I hope leaving him alone means that Skiles will actually get enough minutes to work himself out. I'm with patentboy in that "the right price" seems like a good idea, I'd offer a player like Crawford to see what happens.

From BkRef:

neocache (69 posts)  11/11/2012 11:42 AM

He helped me win a league last year.  

I drafted him the 4th round this year. Mostly for his rebounding prowess (we count ORBS in our league) .  

Not giving up. Also because big man stats are where my team is weak and the best options for that on our league wire are players like Reggie Evans.

So I closely watched the cetltics/bucks game last night and had a bunch of observations

• He doesnt look like he has any lift. Im not sure if he ever did, but finishing near the rim was hard for him last night.
• He seemed a step slow to the ball.  Im wondering if he's in shape. Or if the bucks had him add bulk to be more of a PF than a SF. If so, maybe that wasn't so smart
• As long as he plays, he'll got shots in that offense. He's the main pick and pop guy for Jennings and Ellis. Not sure the bucks have anyone else on the roster who can play that role well.
• Looked good when paired with Sanders. There's one too many big guy in that rotation. If they get Udoh or Dalembert out of it, it might have a positive result. 
• Even at the free throw line, he looks unconfident. Perhaps he's looking over his shoulder and wondering if Skiles is about to yank him. If so, Skiles giving him normal minutes in a normal rotation would be one of the best things for him
• As they game went on, he started scrapping more and hustling more. Especially in the 4th qtr. Good that he didn't check out after starting off totally lost out there. 

mbuser (4316 posts)  11/12/2012 10:44 PM

Ersan Ilyasova continues his battle with his own confidence link

I don't think tonight's 18-minute, 1-of-5 shooting performance is going to help. You have to continue to hold here, given what we know he can do with that confidence (and minutes), and it seems like an eternity even though we're only six games into his season, but I don't envy those of you forced into the position. Feel free to use this thread to vent.

dasein (606 posts)  11/12/2012 11:17 PM

I'm benching his ass till he does something. Would give a long look at any reasonable mid-round type offers thou.  

ensignwkm (15 posts)  11/12/2012 11:38 PM

he's killing my team right now.  I'm benching him until he starts playing right!

patentboy23 (57 posts)  11/13/2012 12:56 AM

We have to wait it out. 15/10 with 1blk/1st stl/1 3PM potential is worth the wait. Don't sell low.

Spurlars (10 posts)  11/13/2012 3:39 AM

Knowing my luck in a weekly league I'll bench him, then that week he'll get a confidence boost

Maybe he needs to go on a night out with Harden when the Rockets are in town...?

TimD21 (43 posts)  11/13/2012 9:23 AM

I drafted him in one of my keeper leagues in the hope that he'll be a stud / steal in the draft. I know he's struggling with his shot....but what bothers me more is that he cant even seem to rebound the basketball!!! Cant do anything but bench him till he finally gets going.

patentboy23 (57 posts)  11/13/2012 3:25 PM

Trying to buy low in every league I can.  Hopefully, my gambles cash out.  '11-'12 season pre-all star: 25 MPG 10/9/1 on 43% shooting post all-star: 30MPG 16/9/1.5 on 55% shooting. Hopefully it doesn't take till ASB to get 30 MPG or approach his post ASB #'s.  FG% will be closer to 50% but last year's post ASB numbers are enough for me to keep my faith in him. 

Cap. (518 posts)  11/13/2012 3:41 PM

I'd be careful with all the buying low.  When we talk about post-all star 2011 we're only talking about 28 games, and all of last season he only scored more than 20 points 8 times.  If you want a guy who will rebound and hit threes aim for Byron Mullens instead, he's bound to have a better year than this chump.

Petrocelli (301 posts)  11/13/2012 4:00 PM

I drafted him at 55 in one league and thought that was a very good deal.  Little did I know....

However, there is no way I am throwing this guy back in the player pool, unless he loses a limb or goes blind.

snart13 (61 posts)  11/13/2012 5:37 PM

decided to start ersan over many other options last week and he DESTROYED ME single handedly.

lost to a friend that i REALLY WANTED TO BEAT. final score 2-7 in 9cat yahoo.

lost fg% by .001%

lost ft% by .004%

3ptm by 5

points by 4

reb by 10.

the worst part about losing to him also is because he also picked up 2 last minute FA's for sundays matchup so he can play his 4 against my 2!!!! 

JUST TRADED ZBO FOR JENNINGS! I NEED YOUR REBOUNDS BACK ERSAN!!!!

fromak (23 posts)  11/13/2012 7:12 PM

Patience with Ersan. We've seen he has the skills--he just needs to get into a rhythm. It's not like he mailed it in completely after the contract. 

shoemosher (13 posts)  11/14/2012 11:56 AM

Someone dropped him in my league. Do I drop Brand to hope Ersan turns it around?

ensignwkm (15 posts)  11/14/2012 1:12 PM

Hold on to him if you can and bench him.  Let's use this thread to vent our frustrations.  

neocache (69 posts)  11/14/2012 1:24 PM

Im trying the power of positive energy approach with ersan. 

Tonights his night. Double double, with a 3, a block... And grilled onions ... coming right up. 

doesntmattr (12 posts)  11/14/2012 2:07 PM

I think I've figured out the Ersan issue. According to his owners (myself included) it sounds like he is literally on every team in every fantasy basketball league out there...which is a mathematical impossibility. Perhaps the only way for the universe to correct this glitch is for the numbers to be skewed so poorly that he appears to be tanking. In actuality, Ersan is posting 15.7, 9, 2, with 1/1/1 3s/steals/blocks and 49/78 %s. We just can't register this because we've stretched his cosmic fabric so thinly.

jsong727 (16 posts)  11/14/2012 3:24 PM

I smell a 18/12 and 3 threes game from him just to tease us for now and returns to stinking.

ensignwkm (15 posts)  11/14/2012 4:46 PM

Tonight's line will be 17 pts, 9 rebs, 2 treys, 2 assists, 1 block, 1 steal.  He plays 30 mins.  Not out of reach huh?

fromak (23 posts)  11/14/2012 5:02 PM

Lots of optimism all of a sudden but I'll take it

ensignwkm (15 posts)  11/14/2012 5:16 PM

Maybe all he needs is positive vibes.

jamalloy (6 posts)  11/14/2012 7:40 PM

And then you look at his 1st Qtr numbers.......

tonika_zr (986 posts)  11/14/2012 7:50 PM

LL    jamall 

jamalloy (6 posts)  11/14/2012 9:18 PM

If I could have multiplied his first qtr numbers by 4 they couldn't have been much worse than where he ended........smh.

fromak (23 posts)  11/14/2012 9:19 PM

Lolol at least he is CONSISTENT (at putting up stinkers)

xevo (26 posts)  11/15/2012 2:15 AM

Ersan ersan ersan... you breaking my balls... you breaking my balls...

# 23999 (14 posts)  11/15/2012 2:42 PM

I understand not overreacting after 2-3 bad games or anything, but this is 7 out of 7 games where he's been an absolute dud, and I'm not seeing anything to make me more optimistic about his future.

Disregarding personal tolerances for risk and all that, just how much rope do you give a guy like this before just making the drop???

This is almost exactly similar to my Lamar Odom situation from last year when I drafted him in the 5th and he turned in nothing but stinkers....

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  11/15/2012 2:53 PM

Just go to his stats for this season, plug in .450 FG% and see what he'd be averaging. Even if it isn't fifth round value, I think Ersan will still be at least better than anything you could grab off the waivers in a 12 team league. Anything 12 teams and larger I'm definitely holding, he's getting good looks and he's a good shooter, he'll pick it up eventually.

(I hope)

AZ18 (105 posts)  11/15/2012 2:54 PM

I was offerd Rubio for Ersan and im contemplating it seriously, I think id rather wait on Rubios injury then go through this stinking it up any longer.

But being a sucker and wasting a 5th round pick on him I will wait it out and hope his upside shines through 

shmito17 (11 posts)  11/15/2012 3:06 PM

Would any of you guys give up Boozer for Ersan?

AZ18 (105 posts)  11/15/2012 4:46 PM

Was offered Thaddeus Young for Ersan now, lots of owners looking to buy low it seems! very tempted to take it, up for yes, down for no?

fromak (23 posts)  11/16/2012 12:21 AM

Scoop up what you can--he's waiver fodder now

AZ18 (105 posts)  11/16/2012 11:07 AM

Looks like our boy Ersan is loosing sleep over his play. Encouraging that he knows pressure is on to perform up to his contract, hopefully he gets some sleep and gets back to beasting like he was last year! 

 

Ilyasova spent the offseason working on becoming bigger and stronger, and has been disappointed by his performance. Ilyasova even admitted feeling pressure to deliver on his new contract.

“I have had trouble sleeping lately,” Ilyasova said. “I just got to keep working and find my rhythm.”

http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-blog-bucks-becoming-more-offensive-minded/article_819ac814-2f9e-11e2-83a3-0019bb2963f4.html

chongli73 (33 posts)  11/16/2012 11:14 AM

Gordon Hayward is available on waivers, I'm really contemplating dropping Ilyasova (Down) and picking up Hayward (Up).  What do you guys think?

snart13 (61 posts)  11/16/2012 12:08 PM

Positive energy is the key! Let's go ersan!!

mbuser (4316 posts)  11/16/2012 12:20 PM

AZ18, who is your other "worst" player?

neocache (69 posts)  11/16/2012 1:36 PM

AZ18 - thanks for sharing that link.

I would say that getting bigger and stronger was a horrible idea. Why change?  Wonder if that was his idea or managment's idea.

Keep working Ersan! 

chongli73 (33 posts)  11/16/2012 2:46 PM

@ohmygygld, sorry that was an error on my part. I just read it and saw the error.   I meant Up for picking up Hayward and Down for keeping Ilyasova on my roster.  It's hard to drop Ilyasova, because I did spend $15+ to acquire him in my auction, but 25 minutes is just not doing it.  

I've been weighing all the pros and cons.  Ilyasova is the 3rd scoring option, has a higher ceiling, but plays less minutes and he's not attacking the rim as much as last year and settling for more 3's and perimeter shots.  Hayward is the 4th option behind Jefferson, Millsap and MoWill, but Corbin is still playing him 32 minutes per night and he's close to averaging the elusive 1 3/block/stl per night stat.  Plus, he's shooting 45%FG and 80%FT.  I don't think I can wait for Ersan's 16 pts/10 reb game to sell high on him.        

dasein (606 posts)  11/17/2012 9:49 AM

Another chance at redemption today and....bugger. Anthony Davis will be guarding him. 

fbroto (164 posts)  11/17/2012 11:57 AM

@dasein - add to this NOR ease ranking...I will probably bench him in 9 cat roto tonight...

se2b (4 posts)  11/17/2012 7:44 PM

already 4 points for ersan!!! yaaaayyyyy! lol

dasein (606 posts)  11/17/2012 9:48 PM

he didn't do to badly here. 50% shooting for 10pts with 5 boards in 25mins. Of cousre skiles decides to roll with Udoh for the entire 4th quarter 

mbuser (4316 posts)  11/17/2012 9:52 PM

Small victory?

# 23999 (14 posts)  11/17/2012 9:53 PM

1st time this season hitting 50% shooting with no 3's and no FT's??? Sell high sell high....

tonika_zr (986 posts)  11/17/2012 11:10 PM

no stls or blocks.

KingKobe (152 posts)  11/18/2012 6:40 AM

The thing with Ersan, he only really has a 28 game sample size where he was any good. Nothing he showed in the rest of career (albeit short one) that he can do much more. The fact that he always beasts in international tournaments, then sucks in the NBA, means to me he just is not going to do it. The fact that he really delivered in the 28 games prior to getting an extension is a red flag for me, not a sign of things to come. And this coming from a guy who picked him up last year and he helped me win my miney league.

He can't stay this bad all year, but he's not gonna remotely approach what he did last year. Get what you can for him now I say

mbuser (4316 posts)  11/18/2012 9:32 AM

I can't say that I'm buying what you are selling there. What sucks about the per-minute production from his first few seasons in the league? 15/9 with useful 3+s+b typically makes me feel optimistic about a player's chances to be a good fantasy player going forward. And nobody is going to argue that his production didn't spike last season, but it's not exactly unusual for a player to post the best numbers of his career while playing the first meaningful minutes of his career at age 24.

# 23999 (14 posts)  11/18/2012 9:42 AM

That and his per 36's have always been good. Well, until this year but yeah....

KingKobe (152 posts)  11/18/2012 10:25 AM

Have to admit I didn't really look at his per 36...

neocache (69 posts)  11/18/2012 11:10 AM

I didn't see the Bucks game last night, but from looking at the stats, looks like he spent more time near the rim. Smart thing for a slumping player to do. Hoping to continue to see more banging of the boards (4 offensive RBs last night - good sign). Im thinking  the confidence will come back and he's going to turn out OK.  Maybe not top 50, but a contributor to any fantasy team

I still think the added bulk during the offseason is an issue that will continue to cause him problems throughout the year in long distance shooting. I'm not expecting him to hit 3s at previously seen rates from him. 

KingKobe (152 posts)  11/18/2012 1:19 PM

Kay Thompson or ilyasova?

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  11/18/2012 2:35 PM

neocache - I did watch the game last night, and you're 100% right. Ersan got at least 6 of his points on layups and tip ins, and he was attacking the offensive glass.

The Hornets shot an insane percentage, and didn't have many possessions, so there weren't really that many defensive rebounds to go around, Ersan looked confident and was playing hard, especially when you consider he was matched up against an incredibly athletic guy in Davis.

He's still the Bucks main pick and roll, pick and pop guy, he's setting screens for Monta and Jennings on almost every possession, and last night Jennings was finding him on the roll for easy points.

mbuser (4316 posts)  11/18/2012 3:30 PM

Good info there. Those oreb are a good sign, as his oreb% is currently about half of what it was last season, and he's down from 41% of FGA at the rim (last season) to 29% (current). And of course he's fallen from 46% 3PT to 28% thus far, while increasing his % of attempts - 19% of his FGA were threes last season, and it's 25% so far.

TimD21 (43 posts)  11/18/2012 8:06 PM

Was trying to buy low on ilyasova lately but now the owner is asking for my eric gordon. Im in a roto dynasty league so now im thinking if this will be a good move for me or not. I guess id have to pick between gordon's knee versus ersan's brain hehe ersan wake up!!! Bucks fans any idea what happened to the guy?

FBB101 (5 posts)  11/18/2012 9:32 PM

Just bought ersan...i traded my b.lopez and asik for lawson and ersan...going to need both lawson and ersan to shake some rust off or else i will have been taken.  Thoughts?

xevo (26 posts)  11/18/2012 10:40 PM

WOW.. I didn't expect these many responses.. Glad there are bros out there who share the same frustration as me. But i'm thru with him. Trading Ersan, George Hill for B.Lopez and Crash Wallace. What you guys think? Assist punted!

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ferris (307 posts)  11/19/2012 3:38 AM

anyone think he's worth blowing a #1 waiver priority on?

wisegeeks (46 posts)  11/19/2012 5:07 AM

planning to offer Aminu to get Ersan. Thumbs up YES! Thums down NO!

fbroto (164 posts)  11/19/2012 11:52 AM

Our boy is playing @CHA tonight, relatively easy team by the "Ease ranking":

and since stl are not his strength anyway, there is a potential for the breakout game...

Who is supposed to guard him tonight? Mullens?

Do you cross your fingers and start him in 9cat roto tonight? (yea-up, no-down)

fbroto (164 posts)  11/19/2012 4:08 PM

Looks like we all agree on the above...

In the meanwhile a great read/anlysis on Ersan's future:

http://givemetherock.com/2012/11/19/what-is-wrong-with-ersan-ilyasova-and-when-will-he-snap-out-of-it/

AZ18 (105 posts)  11/19/2012 6:28 PM

and Ersan leaves the game after 4mins in the first quarter. SMH! over this, taking the best trade I can get now. Huge waste of 5th round pick 

DoomsVille (30 posts)  11/19/2012 7:03 PM

10 fairly unproductive minutes in the first half. I don't even know if its possible to shop him for anyone anymore.

AZ18 (105 posts)  11/19/2012 8:52 PM

Been offered Rubio and ive sat on it for a week, cant put up with this crap anymore. Going to take the deal and wait on Rubio instead im thinking

vic1003 (8 posts)  11/19/2012 11:14 PM

Another horrible game for Ersan who's been extremely disappointing this season to say the least.

Will he pick it up? Or is it time to drop.

Seriously considering dropping him for Harrison Barnes (as crazy as that sounds). Would appreciate your advice..

# 27680 (21 posts)  11/20/2012 2:05 AM

I'd drop Ilyasova for Barnes. I think best case scenario with Ilyasova is top 75, but likely he ends up around 100. Milwaukee's frontcourt will take too many rebounds away from Ilyasova, that 10 rpg from the end of last year looks unrealistic at this point.

chongli73 (33 posts)  11/20/2012 11:15 AM

I just dropped him for Barnes last night.  I couldn't wait any longer for Ersan to bounce back and it doesn't look like he's getting the minutes to prove it.  Barnes is at least getting the minutes as a starter.  He may have a lower ceiling than Ilyasova, but I'd rather take the more consistent stats in a daily matchup league for now. 

# 6959 (6 posts)  11/20/2012 12:08 PM

Dropped him for Thad Young in my 8 team shallow league.

Probably waited a week or two too long

8 Teams 13 Per Team [9 Active = pts 3 reb ast stl blk fg% ft% ft, 1 Punted = to]

Own	Round	Rank	PuntV	LeagV	Punt+	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	ft/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	ftV	toV
	1	1	1.36	0.93	+0.43	Durant, Kevin		OKC	SF	70		39.0	27.4	1.6	9.3	4.1	1.4	1.2	0.494	19.0	0.883	8.0	7.0	4.2	2.93	0.85	1.10	0.22	0.74	0.63	0.65	2.06	3.04	-2.90
	2	10	0.45	0.26	+0.19	Curry, Stephen		GSW	PG	60		35.0	18.6	2.3	4.0	6.9	1.6	0.3	0.484	14.3	0.897	2.7	2.4	3.2	0.69	1.74	-0.74	1.36	1.16	-0.66	0.23	0.80	-0.52	-1.41
	2	13	0.34	0.11	+0.24	Williams, Deron		BKN	PG	67		35.0	18.2	1.6	3.2	8.8	1.2	0.3	0.448	13.7	0.836	5.2	4.4	3.6	0.59	0.85	-1.03	2.19	0.14	-0.67	-0.65	0.72	0.96	-2.02
	3	17	0.26	0.16	+0.10	Cousins, DeMarcus		SAC	PF/C	71		32.0	20.2	0.0	11.1	1.7	1.7	1.0	0.479	17.0	0.702	5.6	3.9	2.7	1.09	-1.11	1.73	-0.79	1.47	0.34	0.12	-1.13	0.64	-0.77
	4	31	0.09	-0.03	+0.12	Lin, Jeremy		HOU	PG	67		35.0	13.0	1.0	4.4	7.0	2.0	0.5	0.414	11.2	0.823	3.4	2.8	3.0	-0.76	0.07	-0.62	1.42	2.21	-0.39	-1.21	0.35	-0.27	-1.13
	4	32	0.08	0.12	-0.04	Gasol, Marc		MEM	C	71		35.1	13.8	0.0	8.4	3.2	0.9	1.8	0.526	9.9	0.749	4.5	3.3	1.8	-0.54	-1.08	0.78	-0.16	-0.44	1.46	0.90	-0.37	0.18	0.46
	6	42	-0.02	0.05	-0.06	Pekovic, Nikola		MIN	C	69		32.0	16.8	0.0	8.4	0.9	0.7	0.8	0.565	11.5	0.751	5.1	3.8	1.7	0.22	-1.11	0.78	-1.13	-0.98	0.07	1.84	-0.38	0.54	0.60
	7	49	-0.05	0.03	-0.07	Martin, Kevin		OKC	SG	66		30.0	15.0	1.9	2.7	1.9	1.0	0.1	0.441	9.9	0.892	5.0	4.4	1.7	-0.24	1.15	-1.21	-0.70	-0.29	-0.93	-0.60	1.39	1.01	0.69
	7	55	-0.06	-0.08	+0.01	Ginobili, Manu		SAS	SG/SF	65		25.9	13.6	1.5	3.5	4.6	1.0	0.3	0.452	9.7	0.877	3.8	3.3	2.3	-0.59	0.74	-0.94	0.42	-0.27	-0.64	-0.39	0.92	0.17	-0.20
	10	75	-0.20	-0.09	-0.11	Young, Thaddeus		PHI	SF/PF	71		34.0	13.8	0.0	7.0	1.4	1.3	0.7	0.532	11.1	0.757	2.6	1.9	1.5	-0.55	-1.11	0.29	-0.92	0.53	-0.06	1.13	-0.17	-0.91	0.86
	11	87	-0.24	-0.15	-0.09	Hayward, Gordon		UTA	SG/SF	69		31.0	12.9	1.0	3.5	3.4	0.9	0.6	0.472	9.4	0.831	3.7	3.0	1.7	-0.77	0.16	-0.92	-0.10	-0.62	-0.28	-0.04	0.46	-0.05	0.62
	12	96	-0.33	-0.26	-0.07	Parsons, Chandler		HOU	SF/PF	70		36.0	13.0	1.7	5.8	3.0	1.3	0.4	0.439	11.4	0.685	1.8	1.2	1.9	-0.75	1.00	-0.12	-0.27	0.31	-0.54	-0.72	-0.45	-1.44	0.37
Own	Round	Rank	PuntV	LeagV	Punt+	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	ft/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	ftV	toV
			1.69	1.04	+0.65	Avg Stats/Total Values				68		33.3	16.4	1.1	5.9	3.9	1.3	0.7	0.480	12.3	0.812	4.3	3.5	2.4	1.32	2.17	-0.91	1.53	3.96	-1.67	1.13	4.29	3.34	-4.82
			1.69	1.04	+0.65	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				68		33.3	16.4	1.1	5.9	3.9	1.3	0.7	0.480	12.3	0.812	4.3	3.5	2.4	1.32	2.17	-0.91	1.53	3.96	-1.67	1.13	4.29	3.34	-4.82

cadavi (2 posts)  11/20/2012 7:45 PM

both Kawhi and Ersan are on WW - i'm prob going to drop Ridnour for Kawhi, but is there anyone i can drop for Ersan?  punt FT% build 10 team H2H

10 Teams 13 Per Team [7 Active = pts 3 reb ast stl blk fg%, 2 Punted = ft% to]

ensignwkm (15 posts)  11/21/2012 9:54 AM

Please be honest.  Is it time to move on and drop Ersan?  Up for YES, Down for NO.

# 27680 (21 posts)  11/21/2012 8:09 PM

I think it's time to cut bait on this guy. After today's game, it will likely be 10 straight bad games from him. I can only realistically see his value go up if Sanders somehow ends up getting injured. Even Henson is getting a little burn now.

doesntmattr (12 posts)  11/21/2012 8:25 PM

I'm keeping him. He'll be the mascot of my squad. I'll rename my team "Ermasculated" and will go straight to the top. All I need are 28 games from him late in the season. You will see. It will happen.

# 23999 (14 posts)  11/21/2012 10:22 PM

I can't take it anymore....

Would go through the trouble of trying to "sell low" on him, but I doubt I could get better value for him on the trade market, than Kevin Seraphin on the wire. Oh well, the only way I could've screwed that pick (4th round end tail) even worse, was maybe by drafting Bynum in the 2nd.... Ouch.

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  11/21/2012 11:58 PM

I thought 10 bux on Ersan in an auction league was a complete steal. Now I am not so sure. I bench him automatically on full roster days. i also still believe that he will wake up and find his mojo (i hope).

dasein (606 posts)  11/22/2012 8:23 AM

Traded him for Nene a few days ago in a very competitive league. Feeling pretty good about it now. 

power101 (327 posts)  11/22/2012 9:18 AM

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand... it finally happened. he was dropped in my league. I wish there was better reports out of milwaukee explaining what the heck is going on with him.

jordanrides (1 posts)  11/22/2012 11:57 AM

Damn.... I held on as long as i could and regretebly let him go and picked up Jason Thompson instead... Now that i;ve dropped him i'm sure he;ll return to form and come and bite me in my ass!!!!

discocricket (11 posts)  11/22/2012 12:03 PM

Ersan is very inconsistent historically. He was huge in the 2nd half last season and helped me win a league but how long can you hold a guy who isnt even delivering good bench value? I targeted him in trades for the first couple of weeks of the season but now I'm pulling those back; this could be a season-long slump for him. Someone will probably get lucky with him in the 2nd half of the year but how long can you wait?

# 23999 (14 posts)  11/22/2012 12:09 PM

Same thing, tried to be patient, but dropped him for Seraphin. I had really high hopes for him but unfortunately, I doubt I could even trade him for any hot recent waiver wire pickups (i.e. Ramon Sessions).

AZ18 (105 posts)  11/22/2012 5:25 PM

I had a brain explosion the other day, kept Ersan and dropped Seraphin....SMH next day Seraphin is declared the starter 

markidarki (20 posts)  11/23/2012 10:17 AM

same here dropped him for seraphin.. cant hold on to him anymore as my kyrie went down

bschaar (15 posts)  11/23/2012 12:39 PM

Should I drop Ersan for Jonas Valanciunas? Up = Yes, Down = No

DoomsVille (30 posts)  11/23/2012 2:14 PM

Don't wait for the ups. Drop Ersan and grab Jonas before someone else does.

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  11/23/2012 4:52 PM

I own Ersan in 1 league. Today the 5xxx Ersan drops updates have started in earnest. I assume the drops will come fast and big now. being in first i can afford to wait longer.

ensignwkm (15 posts)  11/23/2012 4:55 PM

Dropped Ersan for Seraphin and I feel good about it.

ferris (307 posts)  11/23/2012 5:24 PM

i think he has value as a bench lottery ticket -- little more but he's a very good one if you can manage a dead spot

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  11/24/2012 4:22 PM

That report clearly implies that if Ersan starts shooting the ball well, he goes back to getting good minutes in the rotation.

In my opinion, that's really quite good news. I have no doubts that Ersan will start shooting better at some point this season (See Channing Frye's start last year) and I'm happy to stash him on my bench until he does.

I won't blame people for dropping him, but I'm a bit more of a patient owner than some, and I'd rather wait and see if he can pick things up.

nykos (96 posts)  11/24/2012 4:26 PM

Hey all,

Ersan has been dropped in my league, would you stash him and drop either: calderon, hickson or l.williams?

thanks

jasonqua (3 posts)  11/24/2012 9:07 PM

Watched the 2nd quarter of the Bucks - Bulls game. Ersan just has zero confidence right now. He hesistates every time he gets the ball. 

paulhyunkim (9 posts)  11/24/2012 9:36 PM

well he has 22 minutes near the end of 3rd quarter and he looks less hesitant to take the shot off the pass than before. perhaps the minutes are a sign of the much needed spark?

paulhyunkim (9 posts)  11/24/2012 9:44 PM

now lets see if skiles puts him in in the 4th quarter...

falco. (11 posts)  11/24/2012 9:56 PM

Just got put in!!! He's gonna be close to 30 minutes this game.

jasonqua (3 posts)  11/24/2012 9:57 PM

He's back! And definitely playing with more energy in the 2nd half. Let's go Ersan!!

paulhyunkim (9 posts)  11/24/2012 10:13 PM

jennings just got injured, looked pretty bad too. hows this is going to affect ilyasova?

nolagoblue (85 posts)  11/25/2012 12:05 AM

Him playing in the 4th Q and giving us some counting stats (6 boards, 3 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks and 0 turnovers) make me feel alot better. Hopefully this will be the start of him gaining his confidence back. When's the last time he saw the floor in the 4th Q? 

neocache (69 posts)  11/25/2012 9:02 AM

The minutes earned him a temporary stay on my roster. But that mil front court situation just get weirder. A start for pryzbila?

jasonqua (3 posts)  11/26/2012 5:52 PM

Uh-oh. Henson to start over Ilyasova tonight

tonika_zr (986 posts)  11/26/2012 6:10 PM

Ha-Ha-Ha!!! No way Ersan can return any value near 4th,5th round, first of all he is not playing well and he have coach-fantasy-killer in Milwaukee, Hanson starting over him??? Wow, so funny... every passing day showing more and more I made good decission droping him 2 weeks a go.

AZ18 (105 posts)  11/26/2012 7:05 PM

Henson worth a flyer?

DoomsVille (30 posts)  11/26/2012 9:11 PM

Don't look now but Ersan just had a solid game. He's run into foul trouble so that's keeping his minutes in check.

But he played 15 minutes in the second half.

NCSU86 (51 posts)  11/26/2012 9:12 PM

Do I dream the impossible dream, that my 4th-round pick is not a complete waste afterall?

Now about Stuckey . . .

amsid (33 posts)  11/26/2012 9:13 PM

Our boy is 18/5/2 atm on 8-13 shooting

psu148 (49 posts)  11/26/2012 9:16 PM

Going to the bench seems to have lit a fire.  He's doing this aginst the Chicago starting 5 as well.

DoomsVille (30 posts)  11/26/2012 9:20 PM

Most important thing about this is the shot selection. 90% of his shots have been near the rim or behind the line. That's exactly what you want from him. And he's crashing the board finally. 6 reb in 20 minutes... with 3 on the offensive end.

Very promising signs this game.

falco. (11 posts)  11/26/2012 9:30 PM

Today is a glorious day!

# 23999 (14 posts)  11/27/2012 10:17 AM

Sell high sell high!!!

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  11/27/2012 10:31 AM

This is a lesson to all of us when drafting. Ersan's absolute best is 5th roundish. So why draft a guy that CAN only return his ADP value at his best? This is a lot like ANtRand and his hype years. 4TH and 5TH rounds when that was the best he could achieve. In the future I will rather draft a riskier player like BLopez in the 4th round cause he has 2nd round upside.

dcdoorknob (206 posts)  11/27/2012 11:30 AM

He put up top 10 value over the last half of last season (and won a few people some leagues), so I don't think saying 4th or 5th round value was the absolute ceiling for him is acurate..  Obviously he hasn't had a good year, but without the benefit of hindsight you can't say that there was no upside for picking Ilyasova in the 5th round.  There was some upside from there, he has just failed to live up to it thoroughly so far.

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  11/27/2012 12:48 PM

Put AntRand instead of Ersan in ur statement and change the year. ersan had a big month against teams that had already folded the season or were getting ready for the playoffs. I like Ersan to have value this year. I have him in one league my auction league. The funny thing he came up late when I had 11 players and basically bid all i had but 7 bux to get him. DCollison was my 13th player at 7 bux and just 95 nominations in I had my team. There is a huge difference between being top 10 for a month and being top 10 for a year. Obviously it was our expectation and hype that was wrong. Ersan and his skillset is exactly the same today as draft day. Besides he got his big payday and that seems to be enuff for a lot of players. The goal is to get paid not EARN the payday. Ersan gets the same money sitting on the bench drinking kool-aid as he would busting butt on the court for 40 minutes.

nolagoblue (85 posts)  11/27/2012 1:53 PM

Yeah Ersan's ceiling is 4th/5th round. It's not like he didn't provide 1st round value the last half of last season. How many guys have a realistic shot at 1 3, 1 steal and 1 block a night? He also has 8+ boards a night potential and can average 15 points a game with low turnovers. That's nightly 6 cat potential and that doesn't even count his %'s which have been horrible so far this year. That is the definition of 1st round upside and definitely worth a pick in the 5th round. 

tonika_zr (986 posts)  11/27/2012 4:18 PM

Sometimes you have drastic opinions HF and mostly I agree with them like in this also even if I'm only one from what I can see from vote counts.

No way he will return top 40, top 50 draft value, I dont care if he has best ranking of all in one month at any point in the season, whole season performance (end ranks) what is importtant when you drafting someone in 4th or 5th round.

dasein (606 posts)  11/27/2012 4:59 PM

This meme that Ersan had 1 good month last year needs to be squashed. Here are the facts gents....

Ersan was ranked- 

40 in cumulative value over the whole year (4th round)

48 in per-game value over the whole year (4th round)

14th in per-game value and 21st in cumulative value over the last 3 months. That's 42 games, which is half a full season, and most of last year's shortened season. 

It's fair enough to be skeptical of a short spike in value at the end of a season, but this isn't what happened here. Ersan put together a significant and sustained run last year and it was perfectly reasonable to expect that he could continue. It hasn't panned out that way so far, but this idea that he was a mediocre player that had a nice few weeks during the silly season is just plain wrong. 

AZ18 (105 posts)  11/27/2012 5:02 PM

Its still very early in the season, and I am definately still holding out hope of a turnaround to top 40 value. The biggest problem is the crowded frontcourt and obviously coach Skiles. Yesterday was a huge leap forward for Ersan though and every good game is a boost in confidence, slow steaps but im definately holding him now. 

ldmachine (8 posts)  11/27/2012 7:44 PM

He was dropped in my league, and I've seen several people talk about him being dropped in theirs as well. I think it's probably too soon to judge whether he'll provide 4th round value in the end, but I think he's the definition of a buy low candidate right now. And if you can grab him off the wire for the last spot on your roster, that's a no-brainer. Dasein is right, he's not a flop people got high on speculatively. I really hope Skiles keeps him coming off the bench for a while so he can develop a rhythm with a little less pressure.

Also, his career splits pretty clearly show he's a slow starter, though they are influenced by last year's performance. 

roronoa511 (5 posts)  11/27/2012 8:59 PM

Hey guys, I'm in a 8-cat roto and I was offered evan turner for ersan. Both of them do similar things and have alot of upside. What do you think about this?

# 17963 (2 posts)  11/28/2012 10:21 PM

omg...thought we were seeing progress after last game...

tonika_zr (986 posts)  11/28/2012 10:40 PM

Keep waiting for that last month of #1 production , its def. worth it

ageorgis (10 posts)  11/28/2012 10:53 PM

Game announcers did say that he was sick with the flu this morning, so that could be a factor in the low minutes/productivity after Monday's progress. Skiles's unpredictable rotations obviously bigger factor, but thought I'd let y'all know...

dcdoorknob (206 posts)  11/28/2012 11:13 PM

lol tonika, did you not read dasein's post like 5 above yours, or did you read it and just ignore it completely?

I'm not even saying he's for sure worth holding onto in standard leagues, but quit with the "last month" thing like that's the only time he produced last year, it's just not accurate.

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  11/28/2012 11:45 PM

I am still holding Ersan but I am very patient. If the house was on fire I would take a nap before leaving.

bolt (85 posts)  11/29/2012 6:24 AM

With all the people dropping him Ersan could potentially be the first player to win waiver pickup of the season two years in a row.

mbuser (4316 posts)  11/30/2012 12:46 PM

If Ersan Ilyasova needs his hand held, he does not need more minutes [link]

# 17963 (2 posts)  12/1/2012 3:01 AM

DNP-DEVILSKILES

fml. can't justify holding him anymore. goodbye ersan

dasein (606 posts)  12/1/2012 4:39 AM

that clunk you heard is rock bottom 

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  12/1/2012 9:14 AM

I too cut Ersan for Chauncy Billups. Even in first place ersan couldn't give me any hope/reason to hold him.

psu148 (49 posts)  12/1/2012 11:15 AM

Its finally time for me.  I'll be dropping him Sunday.  I paid $17 in the auction for him so looking to drop him for Patterson.  I may overpay a bit so I get him but him for $10 will be way better then this bum.

Also likely dropping Stucky for Singler.  Been a rough year for me.  Hayward, Stuckey and Ersan all from starter to bench in the span of 13 games. 

dasein (606 posts)  12/1/2012 3:30 PM

just dropped him in the last league I had him for Jamison 

dsdza (13 posts)  12/1/2012 6:51 PM

it's ova once ersan ilyasovas.  i'm holding steady.  pardon me while i slap skiles with a trout.

nolagoblue (85 posts)  12/1/2012 8:56 PM

Bucks were down 16-0, and in came Ersan and Larry Sanders. Game was tied at half and he started 2nd half. Hopefully this is the big inning of him getting 30 min a night. Shit, I'd settle for 25!!!!

Petrocelli (301 posts)  12/1/2012 9:02 PM

I still have him in 3 of 4 leagues.  (Picked him up off waivers in one.)  I'm hoping for a big night!

oddapt (3 posts)  12/1/2012 9:02 PM

Ersan is having a much better game now! I've already dropped him and picked him back up this season. 13 points, 1 three, fgp .556 (!) ftp 1.000, 1 reb, 2 ast, 1 blk, 1 TO

As with every game, Ersan could be back this time. Until the next game...

Spurlars (10 posts)  12/1/2012 10:16 PM

Not a bad game at all:

15 pts, 1 3ptm, 5 Rebs, 4 Ast, 1 Blk, .454 FG, 1.000 FT

I've still got him stashed on my bench. Although the test will be whether he can keep the momentum up against Orlando on Monday.

Like dasein I was going to drop him for Jamison, but now I'm not so sure.

wisegeeks (46 posts)  12/2/2012 2:14 AM

Unlink you, I don't have the luxury of picking up Jamison to drop Ersan.

But if that choice was presented to me, I'll do it in a heartbeat.

I still have Ersan in my top 3 money leagues.

tonika_zr (986 posts)  12/2/2012 2:49 AM

One solid game in every 4,5 is nice BUT wait for Sammy to get again his 15,20,25min and also Dunlevey to be back from that no so serious foot injury...

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/2/2012 12:04 PM

Oh how did I not see this coming, he gets a DNP and then goes off after dropping him. I should've known better.

grandcru (13 posts)  12/2/2012 10:30 PM

Ersan other than gooden is the only true power forward and a stretch 4. the only big who can pick and pop and still possibly average 8 or 9 boards.

Sanders, dalembert are pure post players with no offense. dunleavy is a 2 or 3, he is the logical choice over the long haul although

you cant take anything for granted with Skiles

xevo (26 posts)  12/3/2012 9:19 AM

actually traded him for Crash and B. Lopez. Stashing him in a 12 team league. Gonna wait it out. It's a loooooooooooooong season people.

Cap. (518 posts)  12/3/2012 12:20 PM

808 views, and 150 posts on this guy?!  Please, I know you all paid dearly for him, but can we all just agree that he sucks now and kill this thread already?  I'm sick of seeing it in the active topics.    

kerim34 (18 posts)  12/3/2012 6:22 PM

Be mentally strong 'cap' and ignore it. I know you can do it!

Petrocelli (301 posts)  12/3/2012 8:04 PM

This thread is like group therapy. 

Me: "Hi.  My name is Rico, and I picked Ersan in round 5."

Everyone: "Hi Rico!"

Me: "It started in September.  I started looking at stats from the last two months.  I thought, 'This will this year's Ryan Anderson.'  I started spending my anticipated league winnings right after the draft.  Now, a month later, my wife has left me, she took the kids and dog and moved in with a guy who picked Chris Bosh.  My life's in ruins. I hit bottom tonight when I was watching the Bucks play New Orleans and I saw Ersan take a 10 footer that didn't hit the backboard.  I...I can't... (sobbing incontrolably) ... I can't take it any more!"

xevo (26 posts)  12/3/2012 9:17 PM

"My name is Jake." "Hi Jake!"

"I.. I too met Ersan at Round 5. I thought to myself 'YES, STEAL'. But he.. sorry.. I can't do this anymore. I appreciate you guys for staying in this thread." 

Spurlars (10 posts)  12/3/2012 9:58 PM

Seems like round 5 was a favourite then. Guilty here too.

He's gone off my team. After today's failure I'm invoking force majuere. Boom!

tonika_zr (986 posts)  12/4/2012 4:33 AM

Nooooooooooooo guys, dont quit on Ilya, he is worth it all the pain, he will be back,

its only matter of time he will be rank in TOP 20, just keep believing and will pay off, no  in this battle.

Cap. (518 posts)  12/4/2012 8:07 AM

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

tonika_zr (986 posts)  12/4/2012 9:00 AM

Yesssss!!! We all Ersan's have a problem, we need our Ersan to be like we know he can be-BESTIE OF THE BEST, we neeeedddd you Ilya!!!

Pls,pls,pls Mr.Skiles let our boy play, he can do it, we all know he can do it, he will save our season

Cap. (518 posts)  12/4/2012 10:10 AM

http://www.aacanada.com/12s.html

I think toni is on step 7:  Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

One day at a time toni, one day at a time..

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  12/4/2012 1:30 PM

Lets all trade Ersan to Toni. The last of the die-hard believers. Faith can move mountains.....but it can't make Ersan get 4 points or 4 rebounds a week.

varsity (10 posts)  12/7/2012 10:05 PM

Patience is paying off! 21 and 12 is a solid line and he wasn't bad the last game either.

Petrocelli (301 posts)  12/8/2012 12:00 AM

He appears to be improving.  He may be my best waiver wire acquisition if this continues.

ferris (307 posts)  12/8/2012 2:59 AM

From RW blurb

 it's fair to assume that Scott Skiles didn't want him doing much better since an even bigger night would have been a boon to his confidence. Yes, you read that correctly, Skiles would prefer to keep a player under his thumb rather than have him feel what it's like to break out -- which makes sense if you're going to play rotation wizard nightly.

WOW -- someone actually wrote this

mbuser (4316 posts)  12/8/2012 12:58 PM

Yeah, the RW peeps can get juuuust a bit carried away sometimes. As if huge numbers in a blowout win isn't going to help his confidence.

mmeiselman (1 posts)  12/10/2012 3:09 PM

Ersan seems to be on a little bit of a roll. Time for a bump?

mbuser (4316 posts)  12/10/2012 3:18 PM

He's five games removed from a DNP-CD and three games removed from 2 points on 0-2 FG. We're going to give it just a bit more time.

xevo (26 posts)  12/12/2012 9:30 PM

BACK! FROM! THE DUMPSTER! Sanders was out tho

Robson90 (28 posts)  12/12/2012 9:40 PM

Yeah, prettty solid game. If only we knew if he'd keep it up

ferris (307 posts)  12/12/2012 9:55 PM

he really looked very good tonight

mafix (100 posts)  12/13/2012 2:46 AM

so glad i swooped him off of waivers

Petrocelli (301 posts)  12/13/2012 4:21 PM

A month ago, on this very thread, when many posters were talking about dropping Ersan, I stated:

"I drafted him at 55 in one league and thought that was a very good deal.  Little did I know....

However, there is no way I am throwing this guy back in the player pool, unless he loses a limb or goes blind."

The bottom line: Patience.

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  12/13/2012 4:30 PM

Plenty of people (including me) held onto Ersan, but you have to take people's individual situations into account. League settings, standings etc.

For me, I was sitting in 4th place in a 14 team league, even with Ersan, so it's easy for me to hold on hoping he can get it together.

For someone who was struggling in a 10 or 12 man league, where attractive options like Sanders, World Peace etc were popping up around the time when Ersan was struggling, I would guess they jumped off the ship quickly taking into account the situation.

Patience is easy if you're going well, but for struggling teams, having patience can be very, very hard.

Spurlars (10 posts)  12/13/2012 4:42 PM

I had a look at his historic splits (1, 2), when given opportunity, he is a slow starter. Like a vintage car you need to idle before taking it on the road.

Add ontop of that the contract hs signed weighing on his sense of responsibility (from above), in hindsight it was going to happen.

I've taken the risk and added him in next weeks roster.

Petrocelli (301 posts)  12/13/2012 6:23 PM

Not to get too far off-topic, but I notice that I am frequently able to pick up very good players after a ew bad games, or a minor injury.  As mentioned above, I got Ersan in one league, and stashed him on my bench.

In another league, I recently got Danny Green off waivers, and the very next day he returned and had a monster game.  Can you imagine how the owner who dropped him felt? 

salmoxis (20 posts)  12/18/2012 10:42 PM

Well, after a stretch of good games Ers plays for all of 13 minutes tonight, against the Pacers. Is it even worth groaning anymore? But frank it all, I've stuck with him this long I'm going to stay on it. Just got to use my Jedi powers each week to see which Ersan will be starting - the finely honed Turkish b-ball beast or the whimpering mutt in Scott "Monty Burns" Skiles' dog house ... RELEASE THE HOUNDS!

mafix (100 posts)  12/18/2012 10:44 PM

its so frustrating..... so frustrating

nolagoblue (85 posts)  12/19/2012 4:39 AM

His rise was directly related to Dunleavy's absence, and his 13 min run tonight was Dunleavy's first game back. Coincidence?

tonika_zr (986 posts)  12/19/2012 6:26 AM

Keep hoping.. who knows, everything is possible

Schw8s (2 posts)  12/21/2012 5:52 AM

He didn't drop a 20+ pointer until about 30 games in last year...tonight's game will be #25 for the Bucks.

I'm just sayin...

mt4917 (20 posts)  12/21/2012 10:29 PM

I've been holding onto Ersan in one of my leagues, and nowit's getting really hard to hold onto him.  I was at the C's/Bucks game tonight (crazy game, by the way), and on nearly every rebound opportunity that Larry Sanders had, Ersan didn't even make a move for the ball.  He still had some great rebounding plays, and the two won't always be on the court together, but I think an ever-improving Sanders could really hurt Ersan's rebounding, and that kills most of his value.

Time to let him go in a 12-team league?

mafix (100 posts)  12/26/2012 9:33 PM

ERSAAAAAAAAAAN

Da Ruhl (173 posts)  12/26/2012 10:18 PM

Just picked him up in a league before the game. Barely decided for him over Ramon Sessions on the other end of a looooong overdue drop Elton Brand. Fingers crossed that I snatched him up at the bottom!!

-DR

Cap. (518 posts)  12/27/2012 1:40 AM

hey everyone, ilyasova had a good game tonight, hurry up and pick him up before it's too late!!!   

Da Ruhl (173 posts)  12/27/2012 11:47 AM

Lol, fair point Cap. ...

But it is a 10 starters league with 4 bench, need the upside lottery ticket of an Ilyasova more than I need Ramon Sessions right now, I think. It's a pretty deep league (12 teams with 10 pretty active), so it's not like there are a lot of clear pick-ups available...

-DR

Cap. (518 posts)  12/27/2012 1:23 PM

i am sure you're not the only one rejoicing in his one good game this year, so don't feel too bad, but please, for the love of god, remember the 12 steps.

Da Ruhl (173 posts)  12/27/2012 1:37 PM

lol, first time I've owned him all year (ever for that matter) was yesterday, so don't need to worry about the 12 steps... yet. :-)

-DR

Cap. (518 posts)  12/27/2012 1:46 PM

it's a slippery slope da ruhl, first you make the WW add, next thing you know you're lying in a gutter wearing a dirty bucks jersey holding a sign saying "will work for rebounds".

odin426 (393 posts)  12/28/2012 1:05 AM

Or for playing time! Think there's any chance another team will trade for him and his contract? Might be the only way hell be consistent this year....

Cap. (518 posts)  12/28/2012 1:51 PM

it's funny, because when he was a free agent it seemed that lots of teams were interested in him, but now i can't see any team willing to trade for that contract.  and it hasn't all been playing time, his per-36 minute #s are down this year too, from 17 PTS to 13.6, from 11.5 REB to 8.7, from 1.0 BLK to 0.5, from .492% FG to .394, and from .781% FT to .750.  sure, more playing time means you can get into a rhythm, but you have to earn your PT, and it just might be, when we look back at his career that last year was an anomaly, and his ceiling.  i don't even know why i'm bothering, the fact that this is the most active thread on here is laughable to me.  i need a drink...

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/29/2012 1:39 AM

What to do with this guy? It's now past 1/3 of the season and he's cracked the 30 min barrier like once all year. I've been pretty patient even though I have droppped him in a few leagues because I didn't have much choice, I'm starting to wonder if Skiles will give him the minutes he needs to be productive. I'm thinking of claiming Darren Collison off waivers and dropping Illyasova but I'm hesitant to do this. Any input would be appreciated. I could drop Chalmers but I kinda need his steals.

vinc81 (5 posts)  12/29/2012 8:44 AM

I offered Seraphin in a dynasty league, and I'm on the fence about even that offer. Maybe we've seen the best of Ersan. Can't you get anything useful, even some part for another deal instead of dropping him? 

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/30/2012 12:20 AM

Ugh...today was yet another dagger. It's looking more and more bleak by the day.

tonika_zr (986 posts)  12/30/2012 12:41 AM

Thats the Ersan we love & know and they paying him 10 millions for it.

# 27680 (21 posts)  12/30/2012 1:52 AM

I hate owning Ersan, only way he is going to break out of this funk is if Larry Sanders gets injured. Any Ersan-holders here rooting for Sanders to get injured?

tonika_zr (986 posts)  12/30/2012 10:18 AM

Sanders to get injured? They even dont play at same position.

JohnRuck (39 posts)  12/30/2012 1:51 PM

I dropped him about a week ago. I lost faith.

Cap. (518 posts)  12/30/2012 2:02 PM

*sigh*

ferris (307 posts)  12/30/2012 8:50 PM

ersan = monster

salmoxis (20 posts)  12/31/2012 3:48 AM

I've been thinking about trading Ersan for a Snickers bar and a pair of used Chuck Taylors...

Petrocelli (301 posts)  12/31/2012 10:47 AM

Apparnetly, Ersan's role on my team is to drive my crazy by turning into a top 10 player every third night.

twilo28 (212 posts)  1/2/2013 11:12 AM

Let's say that Ersan does get back to a high level of play on a consistent basis, do we really see him getting 30 plus minutes with as many shots and rebounding opportunities with Sanders there? I'm not sure, especially the rebounds.

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  1/3/2013 6:42 PM

http://www.trendbasket.net/en/2013/01/02/ersan-ilyasova-they-signed-too-many-players-for-the-same-position/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Interesting interview. Hopefully Skiles doesn't hear about Ilyasova complaining about playing time, that's an easy way to get put back in the DNP doghouse.

neocache (69 posts)  1/6/2013 12:31 PM

Needing therapy and some possibliy some advice so here goes. Buckle up.  :)

In my 12x14 h2h money league, I drafted Ersan 42nd overall (when the guy I was targeting - Noah - got snagged at 41.  Grrrr).  Its somewhat of a unique league, in that we play 11 categories...the traditional 9 plus offensive rebs and 3pt %.  Those 2 extra categories play right into Ersan's strengths and a big reason why he was a major key in me winning the league title last year.

I've held on to Ersan since draft day. Through all the up and downs and with Skiles' rotations driving me nuts. But I gave Ersan a long leash partially because his stats were so helpful in winning last year. I've also been in the top 3 in my standings for most of the year - so able to wait on him rounding into form.

Plus if you look at past 1, 2, and 4 week timeframes, he's played to his draft position in both BBM rankings and ESPN player rater ranking systems for our league settings. 

But the truth is, I'm not sure not sure what to do with him.  Owning him is less than fun. 22-25 minutes is what he gets nightly and it's hard to count on him coming through. He has the worst ROS projections on my team and a logical piece to drop if I want to make a wire move. But recent results speak the truth and appear to be decent. No doubt that I've convinced myself that the moment I drop him, he'll explode. 

The wire in our league is pretty thin. There's not a lot on it (guys like J Rich, Aminu, Meeks, and Ariza are "best" available) A possiblity I'm curretnly thinking about is to drop Ersan and stash Big Baby Davis.

OK, I'm done.  Thanks for listening.  

12 Teams 14 Per Team [11 Active = pts 3 reb ast stl blk fg% ft% or to 3%]

Own	Round	Rank	Value	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	or/g	to/g	3%	3a/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	orV	toV	3%V
	1	3	0.70	-0.05	Curry, Stephen		GSW	PG/SG	42		38.0	20.7	2.9	4.4	6.4	1.6	0.2	0.437	16.4	0.900	3.8	0.6	3.0	0.435	6.7	1.48	2.35	-0.46	1.51	1.43	-0.80	-0.96	1.31	-0.80	-1.54	4.19
	2	13	0.38	0.82	Horford, Al		ATL	PF/C	48		36.0	16.3	0.0	9.6	3.2	0.8	1.1	0.547	12.9	0.715	3.1	2.7	1.5	0.000	0.0	0.53	-1.06	1.50	0.10	-0.48	0.64	1.90	-0.51	1.11	0.46	0.01
	2	15	0.35	0.00	Irving, Kyrie		CLE	PG	45		36.0	23.2	2.0	4.0	5.9	1.4	0.4	0.466	17.8	0.865	5.3	0.6	3.8	0.405	5.0	2.03	1.29	-0.61	1.27	0.89	-0.50	-0.08	1.33	-0.79	-2.58	1.57
	3	27	0.25	0.42	Pekovic, Nikola		MIN	C	49		32.2	16.8	0.0	8.3	1.1	0.7	0.9	0.523	13.0	0.778	4.2	3.9	2.1	0.000	0.0	0.64	-1.06	1.01	-0.83	-0.67	0.30	1.33	0.04	2.25	-0.28	0.01
	4	40	0.18	0.05	Parsons, Chandler		HOU	SF	47		37.0	15.3	2.2	6.1	3.6	1.3	0.3	0.454	12.6	0.735	2.3	1.2	2.0	0.385	5.7	0.30	1.48	0.19	0.27	0.74	-0.64	-0.34	-0.25	-0.26	-0.14	0.63
	4	44	0.16	0.66	West, David		IND	PF	43		34.0	18.1	0.0	8.2	2.6	0.8	0.8	0.501	15.0	0.757	4.1	2.1	1.8	0.000	0.0	0.93	-1.06	0.98	-0.14	-0.37	0.08	0.92	-0.20	0.53	0.07	0.01
	4	45	0.14	-0.02	Batum, Nicolas		POR	SG/SF	47		38.0	15.8	2.3	5.5	5.1	1.5	1.2	0.425	12.5	0.858	3.4	1.3	2.7	0.350	6.6	0.42	1.64	-0.06	0.91	1.12	0.73	-1.01	0.77	-0.16	-1.19	-1.62
	4	46	0.14	0.56	Drummond, Andre		DET	PF/C	43		25.1	8.9	0.0	8.9	0.6	0.9	1.9	0.581	6.7	0.417	2.7	3.7	1.0	0.000	0.0	-1.09	-1.06	1.24	-1.05	-0.24	1.90	1.42	-2.65	2.01	1.06	0.01
	6	65	0.05	-0.93	Green, Danny		SAS	SG/SF	45		27.0	9.7	2.0	3.1	1.3	1.1	0.7	0.440	8.1	0.790	0.8	0.6	1.0	0.409	4.9	-0.91	1.28	-0.95	-0.71	0.26	-0.05	-0.43	0.03	-0.85	1.15	1.75
	7	73	0.01	0.11	Lawson, Ty		DEN	PG/SG	46		35.0	16.4	1.1	2.7	7.0	1.6	0.1	0.477	12.9	0.798	3.7	0.5	2.5	0.369	3.0	0.56	0.22	-1.10	1.75	1.24	-0.99	0.21	0.24	-0.92	-0.90	-0.15
	7	83	-0.02	0.27	Davis, Ed		TOR	PF/C	48		23.2	9.3	0.0	7.0	1.1	0.7	0.8	0.550	7.0	0.702	2.3	2.2	0.9	0.000	0.0	-1.01	-1.06	0.50	-0.82	-0.63	0.19	1.07	-0.47	0.69	1.25	0.01
	7	84	-0.02	0.43	Splitter, Tiago		SAS	PF/C	43		24.0	11.0	0.0	6.0	1.5	0.8	0.9	0.585	7.0	0.720	3.9	2.0	1.4	0.000	0.0	-0.64	-1.06	0.13	-0.66	-0.48	0.37	1.54	-0.58	0.51	0.59	0.01
	9	101	-0.10	0.87	Marion, Shawn		DAL	SF/PF	47		30.0	10.0	0.2	7.2	2.5	0.8	0.7	0.485	9.0	0.785	1.3	2.1	1.7	0.305	0.7	-0.86	-0.82	0.58	-0.21	-0.40	0.07	0.29	0.04	0.56	0.13	-0.48
	12	136	-0.24	-0.17	Ilyasova, Ersan		MIL	SF/PF	48		23.0	9.9	0.7	5.7	1.4	0.7	0.4	0.439	8.5	0.775	2.2	1.7	0.9	0.345	2.1	-0.88	-0.22	0.01	-0.68	-0.70	-0.52	-0.46	0.00	0.20	1.26	-0.61
Own	Round	Rank	Value	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	or/g	to/g	3%	3a/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	orV	toV	3%V
			1.97	3.01	Avg Stats/Total Values				46		31.3	14.4	1.0	6.2	3.1	1.1	0.7	0.487	11.4	0.768	3.1	1.8	1.9	0.388	2.5	1.52	0.87	2.97	0.74	1.71	0.78	5.28	-0.87	4.08	-0.66	5.25
			1.97	3.01	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				46		31.3	14.4	1.0	6.2	3.1	1.1	0.7	0.487	11.4	0.768	3.1	1.8	1.9	0.388	2.5	1.52	0.87	2.97	0.74	1.71	0.78	5.28	-0.87	4.08	-0.66	5.25

jbs5635 (21 posts)  1/6/2013 2:06 PM

Ersan is too volatile at this point with inconsistent minutes and whatnot. I would stash Davis, or pick up Aminu. Apparently Monty Williams likes playing him with Gordon, and he raved about him after last nights game. This could of course change, but Dominic McGuire has been waived, opening up more minutes, and leading me to believe this could stick.

tonika_zr (986 posts)  1/7/2013 12:02 PM

Nice news!!!

jjp2122 (44 posts)  1/7/2013 4:55 PM

Or potentially bad news, right? If Skiles knows he's a lame duck and doesn't care about an extension there's nothing to stop him from continuing to use wacky rotations, play whoever he wants wherever and whenever he wants, and not play Ilyasova, who was given big dollars by management without his buy-in it seems. 

AZ18 (105 posts)  1/7/2013 5:17 PM

Yeah this doesnt really change anything for this year IMO, Skiles will still roll with whoever he wants. Ersan wont be relevant this year unless there is an injury/trade that goes down. So glad i managed to rid myself of him!

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  1/7/2013 5:39 PM

I wouldn't be so quick to say he wont be relevant. Sure it's frustrating to own him, but his current season rank is higher than anyone on my waiver wire, and his last month/2 weeks have been top 75 production for my punt blocks team.

Even if he's only getting 22 minutes, his shooting seems like it's picking back up, and he's putting up decent numbers recently.

AZ18 (105 posts)  1/7/2013 6:19 PM

well considering alot of people burnt a 5th/6th round pick on him, he isnt returning value is what I probably should have said. But given the fact that the rotation is deep and the Bucks have so many forwards, it really is hard to see any real light at the end of the tunnell.

tonika_zr (986 posts)  1/7/2013 6:54 PM

When I wroted "good news" mented for next season not having to deal with him, atleast not in Bucks team lol.

mt4917 (20 posts)  1/8/2013 12:11 AM

So - should everyone run to the wire for Ersan if he's been dropped, now that Skiles is gone? 

jjp2122 (44 posts)  1/8/2013 12:14 AM

The Milwaukee Bucks and head coach Scott Skiles have “parted ways,” USA Today’s Sam Amick reportedearly Tuesday morning. Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski reported via Twitter that the Bucks have named assistant Jim Boylan their interim head coach.

http://tracking.si.com/2013/01/08/scott-skiles-fired-bucks-coach-jim-boylan/

KingKobe (152 posts)  1/8/2013 12:15 AM

Skiles is gonna play out the year from what I've seen, so no

edit: whoops, looks like my news is old....soo ummm...... yes?

I was never really sold on Ilyasova anyway but definetly wouldn't hurt to stash him just in case. Same goes for any Bucks player we just don't know how the roster will shake out

# 27680 (21 posts)  1/8/2013 12:36 AM

Whoa. I was just about to kick Ilyasova to the curb and this happens. Craziest in-season firing ever.

# 18660 (1 posts)  1/8/2013 2:46 AM

I realize this isn't the add/drop thread.. I plan to add Ersan in a HTH keeper league. Who do i drop:  Kawhi,  Parsons or Drummond?  Thanks.

So-Tex (242 posts)  1/8/2013 6:55 AM

Sooooooooooooo...to summarize...

Most people seemed to pick up Ilyasova in the 5th round, but apparently he's not worth more than a Snickers bar and a pair of used Chuck's, he's a top ten player every 3rd night or so, Cap is somewhere around step 10 of the program, while Toni is still in denial, fueled even more so by the fact that Skiles is no longer the Bucks coach, which means NOW, Ersan is potentially a "keeper" again, in exchange for Kawhi, Parsons or Drummond.

Did I miss something?

Tell you what guys...this thread...has got to be...one of the FUNNIEST THINGS I'VE EVER READ!!!      "Reality" television doesn't even get this good!

Keep up the good work guys!

And remember...we're laughing WITH you, not AT you!

xcdoug63 (3 posts)  1/8/2013 7:32 AM

I've been in first in my dynasty league since day 1 and I've stuck with him; I have a feeling my patience is about to get rewarded! Annnd I picked up Dunleavy for an injured Thornton this week for the win!!

kslight (998 posts)  1/8/2013 12:23 PM

Back as starter: https://twitter.com/Paschketball/status/288704089225834496

richardpwnsner (53 posts)  1/8/2013 12:24 PM

Back in the starting lineup. Ran here but got scooped by rotoinfo...sorry for commenting before checking .

Regardless, I think the earlier-castigated capitals may have belated merit, so...GRAB HIM!!!111!!!

Edit: Scooped by Ken too. This is truly yet another dark day for the pwnsner family name.

Double edit: Holy crap, it's official, eh?

tonika_zr (986 posts)  1/8/2013 2:11 PM

Nice to see shmuck of the coach gone. Its time to shine Ersano.

AZ18 (105 posts)  1/8/2013 2:51 PM

well im happy i at least managed to get decent value for Ersan via trade, he was a huge bust and I can empathize with anyone who dropped him, looks like hes worth a speculative add and the comments from new coach are encouraging. 

Still managed to pick him up in a couple of leagues, heres hoping he gets a proper chance to shine.

NCSU86 (51 posts)  1/8/2013 4:43 PM

This has got to be one of the hottest topics of the year, with 220+ posts so far.

As an Ersan holdout in 2 out of my 4 leagues, I am hoping for the best but prepared to be disappointed -- again

ryanchristie (1 posts)  1/8/2013 5:31 PM

He will lift today

dasein (606 posts)  1/8/2013 5:41 PM

and there was much rejoicing

now if only they'd fired skiles before the season, I'd still have Ersan on my squads. 

ak murthy (196 posts)  1/8/2013 6:44 PM

What kind of numbers are you guys expecting from him tonight?

Petrocelli (301 posts)  1/8/2013 7:08 PM

14-18 pounts and 6-8 rebounds would make me ecstatic.

dsdza (13 posts)  1/8/2013 8:47 PM

i shed blissful tears of joy when i saw the headlines of scott skiles' termination today.  i'm sure he has his tighty whiteys in a bunch right now watching the bucks game on TV.  skiles' neglect to hand out sufficient minutes to a $40M acquisition (detrimental to someone trying to get out of his early season funk) was downright atrocious. how you gon start MARQUIS DANIELS over him. anyways.   holding steady in four out of four leagues and like i said befo', it's ova once ersan ilyasovas!!

tonika_zr (986 posts)  1/8/2013 9:27 PM

Nothing new, you have always ignorent & stuborn idiots of coaches/GM's who will rather have worst results for the club just not admiting they are in a wrong and cont. to do the same thing over and over again. Smart jerking Steph around couple of years a go with exactly same thing like Skiles with Ilya in this one, also now he is screwing up that kid IT2 in Sacramento bc of A.Brooks. And be asured that cases will not be last ones, that things happen all the time.

tonika_zr (986 posts)  1/8/2013 11:01 PM

God bless you Monta.

Did Monta Ellis run Scott Skiles out of Milwaukee?

Scott Skiles has spent five season with theBucks and leaves Milwaukee with 162-182 record. Things haven't been totally disastrous for Skiles in Milwaukee, but ever since the Bucks acquired the high flying, flashy scorerMonta Ellis, Skiles style of defensive basketball hasn't meshed well with the direction of where the team is going with it's roster. Larry Sanders has been a total invention of Scott Skiles, but while Skiles has a defensive monster like Sanders, Brandon Jennings and Ellis have shown that the Bucks can compete by outscoring their opponent rather than holding them down. The Bucks front office apparently like how that sounds, and have decided to go in that direction. So did Monta Ellis and his offensive approach to the team help push Scott Skiles out the door?

xevo (26 posts)  1/8/2013 11:51 PM

Just picked him up in all my leagues!! MAMAMIA

Peter Porker (19 posts)  1/13/2013 2:39 PM

Only caught his first game back, so can't speak about how he looks out there.  But he hasn't cracked over 27 minutes and doesn't seem to be doing all the much to earn more playing time.  How are people feeling out there?  Small sample, sure, but it looks like there's little change from the Skiles era so far.

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  1/13/2013 4:08 PM

He's had foul trouble in a number of games so far, but even if that wasn't a factor, him getting a consistent 26 minutes has me overjoyed beyond belief. That is a massive chance from the Skiles era, because consistent playing time is a massive benifit, and since he's been getting that consistent 26 minutes, his stats have significantly lifted. Obviously he's still not your 5th round pick, but he's well within the top 100, and seems to be improving, with 1 bad shooting game dragging down his "last week" ranking.

Peter Porker (19 posts)  1/13/2013 7:05 PM

yeah, the consistency in minutes should help I suppose. But it looks like they have something of a log jam at the small forward / power forward position in Milwaukee, so perhaps there is a ceiling to his minutes which we might already be at?  

richardpwnsner (53 posts)  1/18/2013 9:01 AM

It's looking like Skiles, while still a doof, wasn't quite as big of a doof on this particular point as may have been thought.

Muybien (11 posts)  1/18/2013 8:18 PM

About to drop him for Ed Davis.  Feelin great....

tonika_zr (986 posts)  1/19/2013 12:54 AM

have him in one league from 10 days a go and after today that would not be case anymore.

Seems to be its not up to Skiles he being the big.bust of the year.

Peter Porker (19 posts)  1/19/2013 10:32 PM

Good lord!  And we're only halfway through the 3rd!  22 and 13 with 4 assists.

jjp2122 (44 posts)  1/20/2013 12:44 AM

Happened on the day I finally traded him after waiting him out all year. Sounds about right... 

Consoling myself by choosing to focus on the fact that he still only got 26 minutes 

twilo28 (212 posts)  1/20/2013 1:03 AM

Last night I cut Illyasova on four different teams, mostly for guys with upside based on trade speculation (Favors, Bledsoe). I knew I should've waited at least a few more days but after reading several articles on trade deadline shakeup, it motivated me to move in a hurry. Also maybe taking too many Xanax last night didn't help me think rationally. I've made this kind of mistake too many time due to impatience and from being way too active on the waiver wire. Never again will I make this idiotic mistake. Life lesson.

How did I know he was gonna go off for 27pt 14reb but still cut him anyway? If you can figure that one out, please let me know because I feel like a complete dodo bird. Also, seeing the 26mpg adjustment had an influence on how much upside he actually has in that deep forward rotation. He did play 26 min tonight at least. Can anyone offer me any consolation? Or you can just tell me what a dodo I am. Either, or.

mafix (100 posts)  1/20/2013 2:18 AM

he has one good game every six, its bound to happen because of his upside.  if he pulls these stats for the next 3 games, then we all got fucked due to impatience.  regardless, it was so painful to wait this long . . . I traded him a while ago too.

DMWave (171 posts)  1/20/2013 8:12 AM

I had him in one league and cut him before the game. It's a daily-tomorrow league so I got his stats from last night but now he's on the waivers. It's frustrating to look at but I expect him to do this every few games or so, then have 4-5 weak showings.

dweill (7 posts)  1/20/2013 9:25 AM

he baredly played in the fourth quarter...i'm not buying it yet.

Peter Porker (19 posts)  1/20/2013 2:34 PM

I'm not buying it either, but he did sit a lot last night with foul trouble.  Had 4 fouls maybe midway through 3rd.

twilo28 (212 posts)  1/20/2013 9:10 PM

LOL I had him in the liuneup as well, sort of as a "farewell" game.

dmac1803 (1 posts)  1/21/2013 2:07 PM

I AM buying it.  Ersanity lives!  Glad I held on to him... and you will be sorry you didn't, unless you happened to pick up a worthy replacement such as Tristan Thompson, who should also be a double double machine through year end.  

blizzard47 (20 posts)  1/22/2013 8:23 PM

ERRRRRRSANITY!!!

xcdoug63 (3 posts)  1/22/2013 8:47 PM

The Ersanatorrrrrrrr is back!

nolagoblue (85 posts)  1/22/2013 9:57 PM

He's BAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!

mafix (100 posts)  1/22/2013 10:36 PM

fuck my life . . . . i hate this guy

Petrocelli (301 posts)  1/22/2013 10:41 PM

I drafted him in 2 leagues, and picked him up off waivers in a third league.

As I stated a couple months ago, "there is no way I am throwing this guy back in the player pool, unless he loses a limb or goes blind."

I am glad I held on to him.  I am even gladder I picked him up off waivers (which is the equivalent of a 14th round pick).

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  1/23/2013 12:52 AM

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2013/01/23/20130122-arenalink-ilyasova.nba/index.html

Sounds like the whole team is a lot happier under Boylan. Comments like "He actually talks to the players" and "I wasn't expecting the playing time" are pretty clear shots at Skiles.

Anyway, in that interview Ersan says "I've got my confidence back", which I've heard before from players, but hopefully it means he's ready to start producing some fantasy numbers.

MajorMilou (16 posts)  1/23/2013 3:51 AM

Dropped him at the beginning of the week, of course, he was so poor!!! This guy is unbelievable, how can you play like that one week, and like a god the next? Makes absolutely no sense. 

Maybe he's just a "second half of the season" player. 

dsdza (13 posts)  1/23/2013 3:14 PM

i fully enjoy coming to this thread whether ersan has a good or bad game.  

Peter Porker (19 posts)  1/23/2013 4:15 PM

I enjoy lighting myself on fire when I pick up Ersan and he stinks, and then drop him and he lights it up.  

Spurlars (10 posts)  1/24/2013 3:18 AM

I've donr the same thign Petrocelli did. Stashed him. Due to injuries I had ot put him in last week, did ok. Put him in again this week for game reasons (h2h league) and BOO YEAH!

I tend to shy away from him when the ease is bad in the team matchups. But so far when the ease is good he has been fantastic!

All abord the Ersan-train!

salmoxis (20 posts)  1/26/2013 10:53 PM

i too have stashed him all season but started him last two weeks and have enjoyed the rewards. if anything, i think ersan gets the award for "most agonized-over fantasy player" this year...

odin426 (393 posts)  3/19/2013 10:42 PM

How serious is his back injury do you think?

tonika_zr (986 posts)  3/19/2013 11:10 PM

From what I heard-its not good (but ofcourse will not claim anything with certainty).

odin426 (393 posts)  3/19/2013 11:32 PM

If he misses significant time, who do you think benefits? Henson or Dalembert? Dont know if they can play Sanders and Dalembert at the same time....could they?

mbuser (4316 posts)  3/20/2013 3:15 AM

How I've missed this thread!

Looks like he's out a couple of games, but there's no indication that this is long-term. And Henson played 26 seconds tonight, so I wouldn't bank on his benefitting.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/199067911.html

odin426 (393 posts)  3/20/2013 7:03 AM

Thanks guys! Hahahaha yeah this was the vent thread for the longest time hahahahah

blizzard47 (20 posts)  3/20/2013 7:53 PM

looks like the situation went from fubar to uber to lumbar.

My pathetic attempt at humor. 

PaulMRichard (21 posts)  3/21/2013 10:49 AM

@Blizzard: Never apologize