WillF (6 posts)  12/3/2012 12:30 PM

First time posting. I did a search and although there are threads on the specific players, I didn't see one comparing the three so hopefully it's okay for me to start a new thread.

I'm in a 14 team, 11 player league. Standard 9 category H2H league, except instead of Turnovers we use A/T Ratio.

I currently have Bynum stashed. Rose and Granger are free agents. I'm currently planning on picking up Rose in the near future. I haven't decided if it will be in addition to Bynum or to replace Bynum. The longer this goes on with Bynum, the more convinced I am that Rose is a better stash. However, I wanted to get opinions here. I believe the consensus is that both Rose and Bynum deserve to be stashed. Not sure if the same consensus exists for Granger.

If you were considering stashing these players in a league with the above settings, what order do they deserve to be stashed in? In addition, how many of the three can you possibly stash on one team? (I realize that will depend on how I'm doing in my league, who else I have etc.....but I'm just hoping people can answer in general).

My opinion currently is 1. Rose, 2. Bynum, 3. Granger for the first question and either 1 or 2 for the second question.

Thoughts?

Cap. (518 posts)  12/3/2012 12:59 PM

I am personally of the opinion that none of these guys are worth stashing.  Stashing players only applies in (roto) leagues that limit games played, and particularly if your team is really deep.  In H2H leagues you're almost always better off using that roster spot on someone who's going to help you now rather than wasting it on someone who 'might' help you 'if' you make the playoffs.  Of course there are some players worthy of a short term stash, like Rubio for example, but the three guys you are asking about are not expected back for a while, so don't waste your time.  In other words, I'd rather have Reggie Evans than Andrew Bynum right now. 

WillF (6 posts)  12/3/2012 1:40 PM

Thanks for the input Cap. If this is the correct viewpoint then I have definitely been off in my stance for a long time.

My opinion has always been that if you can stay in decent playoff position then you will be in even better shape when one of your stars comes back. To me, Fantasy Sports has so much randomness associated with it that playoff positioning isn't really that big a deal. I don't really care that much if I'm the 1st seed or 4th seed or 6th seed as long as I make the big dance. However, once the playoffs start I want to have the best team I can possibly have. That's why I've always thought stashing was a good idea in H2H leagues.

More input is certainly welcome.

mbuser (4320 posts)  12/3/2012 1:40 PM

I would be holding Bynum at least until he gets the Dec 10 MRI if you've held him this long, and he'd be #1 on my list. I am not in favor of stashing Rose right now, he's available in most of my leagues, including a competitive 16x14 h2h. Granger is available in most of my leagues, as well, but I might put him slightly ahead of Rose, given the injuries and the expected timeframe.

WillF (6 posts)  12/3/2012 1:50 PM

Thanks Matt, appreciate the input.

I will hold onto Bynum and see what happens with his MRI. I would think there has to be a point at which picking up and stashing Granger/Rose becomes a good idea. Do you have an opinion as to the ballpark date when you see each of these as a good move? (assuming they stay on course with their current schedules)

Cap. (518 posts)  12/3/2012 1:58 PM

You're not entirely wrong.  Like I said, if your team is deep enough, and you are comfortably winning your matchups every week, it makes more sense to stash a player like Bynum than if you're a middle-of-the-pack team right now fighting for 5-4 victories every week.  I'd agree with Matt, I'd wait one more week and see if there's any optimism in his Dec. 10th MRI.  If you can stay afloat for a few months then a healthy Bynum can certainly help you in your playoffs, but if it's a 6th seed you're after that's a risky scenario.  Another thing to consider is that even if you drop Bynum now, there's a strong likelihood that noone else picks him up, so you might be able to monitor his progress on the WW while getting production from another player in the meantime.

mbuser (4320 posts)  12/3/2012 2:01 PM

Rose is expected to be back around March 1, Granger around February 1. But what has to be noted here is that we've got Rose at 101st in per-game and Granger in 109th, so it's not like they are returning to be saviors of your team. For that reason, my opinion of a ballpark date for rostering them is likely to well after at least a few managers in your league's.

WillF (6 posts)  12/3/2012 2:09 PM

Fair point Matt. Since we have A/T instead of Turnovers Rose is bumped up to 43rd in the projections for my league. So that's the main reason I have been considering him.

Both of you have provided good insight and I appreciate the help.

WillF (6 posts)  12/4/2012 8:12 AM

 Rose, Derrick PG CHI - Derrick Rose could be just weeks away from practicing with the Bulls again after surgery on his left anterior cruciate ligament last May. ''That's the belief that a couple of [the Bulls'] players are under,'' the source said.
12/3/2012 7:30 PM CDT rotoinfo.com link

Is that news or does that go along with the expected timetable?

ricecuker (16 posts)  12/4/2012 12:30 PM

NBARumors on Twitter also confirmed that he was seen cutting and sprinting in practice recently. I am currently stashing John Wall, but I would MUCH rather stash Rose if news is that he comes back soon.

itsab_YFantasy (58 posts)  12/4/2012 12:37 PM

its really tempting to stash Rose given the stats that he can give you specially in h2h playoffs...

mbuser (4320 posts)  12/5/2012 12:10 AM

Not much reason to be stashing Bogut right now, no.

tonika_zr (989 posts)  12/5/2012 12:32 AM

Cant phantom people still staying with Bogut,NeNe,Bynum,Granger,EG and Co.

dasein (611 posts)  12/5/2012 5:47 AM

Well, Nene actually is playing and his per-minute numbers have been pretty decent. Worth holding onto until his conditioning gets up to scratch no? He should be servicable in most leagues even with 25mpg. 

tonika_zr (989 posts)  12/5/2012 5:58 AM

I will 1st admit that I'm wrong but think assessment about NeNe being useful&w/o missing big chunk of time its delusional when everything is set & done at end of the season.

kerim34 (18 posts)  12/6/2012 4:58 PM

Is it worth stashing Eric Gordon? When is he expected to return?

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/7/2012 7:25 AM

Gordon should be back sometime in late December or early January but who knows with this guy. Worth a stash if you have the roster space and patience. It's a long season, he could help your team or do nothing. It's a coin flip.

Kiwi (56 posts)  12/18/2012 6:05 PM

There are a few high profile players in various states of injury at the moment - John Wall, Nene, Eric Gordon, Andrew Bynum and Danny Granger.  If you were to have a spot or two to stash these guys on your bench, how would you rank them?  

I'm currently holding Wall and Nene, but wondering if Eric Gordon may be a better add than one of those two (Bynum is already owned).  

mbuser (4320 posts)  12/18/2012 6:41 PM

In terms of rostering injured stars right now, I'd rank them: Gordon, Bynum, Rose, Nene, Wall, Granger

Gordon is expected to rejoin the Hornets by the end of the week, and we should get an update on his condition/timeline shortly thereafter. We should have an update on Bynum in a few days, as he's set for an MRI and re-evaluation on Thursday. D.Rose still looks to be on track for late Feb/early March. Nene is at least playing right now - can he keep it up and/or improve? We'll see. Wall should begin ramping up his activity soon, and it pretty much should go one of two ways - he's either going to be okay and return in the not-so-distant future or will have problems and very likely shut things down. Granger appears to be on track for early Feb.

Kiwi (56 posts)  12/18/2012 7:14 PM

How about in a roto league?  Is Gordon's per game outlook brighter than either Wall or Nene's?

mbuser (4320 posts)  12/18/2012 7:41 PM

http://basketballmonster.com/Projections.aspx

Kiwi (56 posts)  12/18/2012 7:51 PM

Per game projections for 10 team 8 cat roto have them ranked:

68. John Wall

94. Nene

102. Eric Gordon

The projections giving the reverse of your recommendation above.  Would you still roster Nene and Gordon over Wall, if they're benched and not being relied upon?

mbuser (4320 posts)  12/18/2012 7:54 PM

No, you certainly give Wall a big bump for 8-cat purposes.

WillF (6 posts)  12/19/2012 8:26 AM

Hey Matt, when I posed the question a couple of weeks ago you had Granger ranked slightly ahead of Rose for stashing purposes. I see this is no longer the case. It doesn't seem to me that there has been a change to either of their timelines, so what has changed?

Thanks for the input.

mbuser (4320 posts)  12/19/2012 5:50 PM

Both are way out and not in my future plans. Rose likely would have trade value after any positive update, so he's the better stash for that reason.

kerim34 (18 posts)  12/21/2012 5:39 PM

Is it just me or aren't Eric Gordon's projections a little on the low side.. Surely he will average more than 30 minutes per game on the season..

mbuser (4320 posts)  12/21/2012 5:58 PM

We were probably overly-conservative with a 26 mpg cap - he's set to gradually increase now over the course of the season in a situation where he stays healthy. But surely over 30 mpg? He's played in nine of 91 games since joining the team because of chronic knee problems and they are currently 5-20. I don't see them throwing him back into the mix quite like that.

tonika_zr (989 posts)  12/21/2012 6:00 PM

Totally right Matt.

kerim34 (18 posts)  12/21/2012 7:14 PM

I said that he will average over 30 minutes per game on the season, not immediately. Aren't the projections for the overall season? He is one of their main guys, you would think that after 10-15 games he will average 35 minutes a game.

Kiwi (56 posts)  1/21/2013 7:17 PM

Is Bynum worth the stash at this point?  I'm currently holding him over players like Splitter, Felton, Granger and Rubio, in the hopes of a decent comeback around All Star break...

# 26436 (14 posts)  1/22/2013 9:33 AM

Bynum has just been droped in my league(14 team, 13 players, 9 Cat, H2H) is he worth a pickup?

i currently have the number 2 waiver

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  1/22/2013 1:19 PM

Depends who u would cut on ur Bynum flyer. A guy like JRich I would say sure take the chance. However not sure I like using the waiver on a guy who is hurt. Plus Bynum's rehab does not sound as far along as a best case scenario. But he has zero pain and would make for a monster when/IF he does arrive.

# 26436 (14 posts)  1/22/2013 2:22 PM

OK so bottom line take a chance on him but he is not worth the waiver