EmpireMaker2 (5 posts)  12/11/2012 3:47 PM

I have been fading Kobe Bryant all season on Fan Duel.  I actually haven't picked him once to date and I agreed with the model that he was playing way above expectation and shooting a career fg%, but the time as come to ask if he shouldn't be projected at least a few points higher.  

mbuser (4328 posts)  12/11/2012 4:06 PM

I would think that his usage will continue to be exceptionally high until Steve Nash gets back, and from there things will settle down. In two games since our last projections update, he's averaged 43 mpg, 24 FGA, and 12 FTA. I've bumped up his FTA/g and 3PA/g to get closer to his season averages.

fbroto (164 posts)  12/22/2012 5:16 PM

Hi Matt,

Again bringing up an old post.... Where do you see Kobe numbers settle once Nash returns? Do you think his FG% will improve, less TO?

Current numbers & projections:

Season Stats

mbuser (4328 posts)  12/22/2012 5:30 PM

I don't see much changing about his line outside of shooting a bit less often.

mbuser (4328 posts)  12/23/2012 1:55 AM

Well so much for that theory

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/23/2012 10:15 PM

Perhaps this is not directly related but I see a lot of blame being thrown around in L.A. by the media and even Kobe himself at guys like Pau and Dwight. I say that Kobe has to take a good chunk of that, I mean the guy took 41 shots yesterday. 41! What need is there for anyone to take  that many shots? Pau & Dwight took 19 combined and they eeked out a 1 point overtime victory with Nash in tow. If they had lost there would have been a lot of fingerpointing going on. All I know is that the Lakers would not be 13-14 if they had Durant or Lebron instead of Kobe. Think about it.

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  12/23/2012 10:40 PM

It's not as though he's chucking them up there, he's shooting a pretty efficient percentage of shots. Any team would be better off with Lebron or Durant there, but if you take Kobe's contributions into account, I don't know how he can take the blame for scoring at a high clip, with excellent efficiency.

Even if Dwight is the centrepiece of the lakers team, Kobe is still the best player, and with the way Dwight's playing, I don't see much use in giving him the reigns.

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/23/2012 11:58 PM

My point is that maybe he should get them more involved instead of having the others stand around while he does his dance. Dwight and Pau may as well not even play for the Lakers, they'd be better off with other players that fit that style.  

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/27/2012 1:09 AM

I'd been thinking that this guy would slow down after going on his run to shut people up but he's been ridonk lately. Perhaps it's the D'Antoni system, he could be in for a crazy year.

tonika_zr (991 posts)  1/22/2013 1:05 PM

7 years ago today - Kobe lit up the #Raptors for 81

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRikrksH8es

mbuser (4328 posts)  1/22/2013 11:46 PM

Slowing his roll a bit thus far in January. Lower FG%, lower 3P%, fewer FTA:

dasein (615 posts)  1/23/2013 2:14 AM

And the longer LAL's spiral continues, the more likely Kobe reverts to his hero-ball, I'm just gonna get mine, chucker mode. You knew it had to come eventually...

pkash (14 posts)  1/30/2013 2:58 AM

Matt, 

Are we changing Kobe's projections?? There's no way he's going to average 28 points a game but his efficiency is i'm sure at the top of list right now. 

I have an 11 cat league focused on offense and i've been the best offensive team in the league, hence, first in the league for almost the whole season. If Kobe's game changes, I need to see what changes I need to make.  Thanks. 

Own	Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	fg/g	ft/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	fgV	ftV	toV
	1	6	0.66	Bryant, Kobe			LAL	G	36		38.0	26.6	1.9	4.8	5.3	1.3	0.2	0.457	21.0	0.829	6.7	9.6	5.6	3.0	2.73	1.00	-0.46	0.78	0.43	-0.75	-0.50	0.83	2.64	1.88	-1.27
	1	9	0.47	Aldridge, LaMarcus			POR	F	36		38.0	21.3	0.0	9.1	2.6	0.9	1.3	0.492	17.7	0.815	4.8	8.7	3.9	2.1	1.39	-1.08	1.11	-0.43	-0.36	0.78	0.69	0.40	2.00	0.67	0.04
	2	16	0.33	Parker, Tony			SAS	G	34		34.0	20.4	0.5	3.1	7.4	1.0	0.1	0.516	15.4	0.821	4.8	8.0	3.9	2.5	1.17	-0.50	-1.07	1.70	-0.16	-0.96	1.28	0.48	1.48	0.70	-0.54
	2	17	0.30	Nowitzki, Dirk			DAL	F	35		34.0	19.9	1.3	6.4	2.6	0.5	0.6	0.471	14.9	0.895	5.1	7.0	4.5	1.8	1.05	0.43	0.13	-0.43	-1.48	-0.26	0.03	1.52	0.80	1.13	0.42
	4	32	0.08	Lillard, Damian			POR	G	36		38.0	18.3	2.3	3.6	6.4	1.2	0.3	0.429	15.0	0.860	3.6	6.5	3.1	3.0	0.65	1.49	-0.88	1.29	0.13	-0.63	-1.11	0.74	0.40	0.10	-1.27
	4	39	0.05	Young, Thaddeus			PHI	F	37		35.9	15.2	0.0	7.3	2.0	1.6	0.9	0.523	13.1	0.572	2.7	6.8	1.6	1.2	-0.12	-1.08	0.45	-0.68	1.12	0.26	1.24	-1.57	0.66	-1.01	1.31
	7	66	-0.09	Dragic, Goran			PHO	G	36		33.0	14.9	1.4	2.9	6.2	1.6	0.3	0.459	11.6	0.724	4.0	5.3	2.9	2.4	-0.20	0.45	-1.14	1.20	1.06	-0.62	-0.22	-0.64	-0.39	-0.07	-0.44
	7	67	-0.10	Davis, Glen			ORL	F	36		33.1	16.5	0.0	8.6	2.0	1.1	0.6	0.445	15.2	0.730	4.1	6.8	3.0	1.8	0.19	-1.08	0.92	-0.67	-0.01	-0.14	-0.69	-0.60	0.61	0.02	0.36
	8	72	-0.13	Splitter, Tiago			SAS	C	33		28.0	11.3	0.0	6.8	1.8	1.0	1.1	0.554	7.4	0.767	4.1	4.1	3.1	1.2	-1.10	-1.08	0.29	-0.77	-0.31	0.46	1.12	-0.18	-1.28	0.11	1.34
	9	84	-0.18	Korver, Kyle			ATL	F	36		34.0	11.8	2.9	4.3	2.1	1.0	0.5	0.454	8.7	0.820	1.2	4.0	1.0	0.9	-0.98	2.13	-0.62	-0.64	-0.16	-0.40	-0.26	0.12	-1.38	-1.41	1.67
	9	85	-0.18	Chandler, Tyson			NYK	C	37		32.0	10.2	0.0	10.6	1.0	0.7	1.2	0.668	5.5	0.685	4.1	3.7	2.8	1.3	-1.38	-1.08	1.66	-1.13	-1.03	0.61	1.97	-1.11	-1.58	-0.10	1.16
	11	103	-0.26	Bargnani, Andrea			TOR	F	31		32.0	16.3	1.5	4.6	1.3	0.5	0.6	0.414	14.7	0.828	3.2	6.1	2.7	1.7	0.16	0.61	-0.52	-0.97	-1.42	-0.17	-1.48	0.39	0.13	-0.21	0.58
	11	105	-0.30	Crawford, Jamal			LAC	G	34		25.9	14.0	1.4	1.7	2.5	1.0	0.2	0.410	11.6	0.899	3.5	4.7	3.1	1.7	-0.42	0.52	-1.61	-0.45	-0.23	-0.78	-1.26	1.08	-0.82	0.11	0.52
Own	Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	fg/g	ft/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	fgV	ftV	toV
			0.71	Avg Stats/Total Values					457		33.6	16.7	1.0	5.7	3.3	1.0	0.6	0.474	13.2	0.793	4.0	6.3	3.2	1.9	3.16	0.65	-1.53	-1.13	-2.19	-2.54	1.0

KingKobe (157 posts)  1/30/2013 3:18 AM

I think its too soon to do much with his projections. Its still Kobe we're talking about here the assists are nice (especially paired with Ws) but I would be hesitant to call this a lasting trend (I could be proven wrong tho)

mbuser (4328 posts)  1/30/2013 12:42 PM

You may (or may not) have noticed that his projections were adjusted yesterday to reflect at least a slight change in philosophy (shall we say). Agreed with KingKobe, though, it's a bit early to do too much with him.

mbuser (4328 posts)  2/5/2013 3:35 PM

Playing through elbow tendinitis (and will continue to do so).

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/2/5/3955384/nba-lakers-news-injuries-kobe-bryant-has-sprained-right-elbow-will-play-through-it

Cortmanwasdead (6 posts)  2/15/2013 5:48 PM

Great player but I'm actually a little skeptical about the severity of some of Kobe's Injuries. I think there's been a few that he plays up and  then acts like he's toughing out more then the average player.  There's just been a lotta of inconsistencies with some injuries and what he's said is up with himself, like that ligament injury in his shooting arm last season.

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  2/15/2013 7:17 PM

I also think Kobe is more of a "Storyteller Warrior" than a real soldier. Don't get me wrong a lot on NBA players are pansies. I do think Kobe has played with some tweaks and pulls but nothing major. Like Ronnie Lott cutting his finger off to keep playing type. IF KObe was as tough as u bluster he is, he wouldn't cry about them in the first place.

KingKobe (157 posts)  2/17/2013 12:09 AM

As much as i love Kobe, I do think he plays up a lot of his injuries. BUT, you still can't deny he plays through a lot that others players wouldn't. My bigger issue is his defense...good god its been awful... I just hate when he doesn't move an inch, and instead just points at a guy thats open...ummm, Kobe, thats YOUR man!

but still...Kobe is King

dasein (615 posts)  2/17/2013 3:53 AM

I think that's why the world more or less got rid of its monarchies a couple hundred years ago. 

mbuser (4328 posts)  3/13/2013 10:07 PM

Mark Medina ‏@MarkG_Medina
Kobe Bryant has severely sprained left ankle. His x-rays were negative & he's out indefinitely

We'll put it at a week to start. Lakers play three times over the next five days and then have three consecutive days off [schedule]. We'll assume he doesn't play in any of the next three games and then we can reassess. Jodie Meeks is the primary beneficiary if you want to grab him for a bump.

mbuser (4328 posts)  3/14/2013 12:24 AM

Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne
Kobe Bryant's ankle, courtesy of his wife Vanessa's instagram account http://instagram.com/p/W00pwPmIW3/

That doesn't look good.

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  3/14/2013 8:15 PM

I think there is a 99.999% chance of Kobe playing tomorrow. Every year he "claims" to have a bad injury will have to miss games. Then boom he miraculously gets healed and pretends to be a star. Kobe is a whiny drama queen. I am sure he has bumps and bruises but for a supposed tough guy he cries an awful lot. Its a shame the trade deadline is over. I would be trying to trade for him cheap, because I truly believe he is making it up again again again.

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  3/14/2013 8:19 PM

Seriously? You can see for yourself that his ankle rolled over the guys foot.... How can he possibly fake that?

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  3/14/2013 8:23 PM

Wait and see if he sits then i will be wrong. If he plays then u will be wrong. This guy does this EVERY year sometimes 2 or 3 times. He is trying to recreate the "stories" of MJ shrugging off injuries illnesses before his big games. MJ didn't snivel as much as Kobe though. Seriously wait for the miracle tomorrow.

tonika_zr (991 posts)  3/14/2013 8:33 PM

Think this time you are wrong HF, will not claimed for sure but my guess he cant play, atleast in next few days...

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  3/14/2013 8:56 PM

In order to be miraculous it has to appear to be serious. The NBA ain't like real sports leagues. U can downplay serious injuries, or upplay fake injuries. Heck Bogut lied for 10 months about what was really wrong with him. If Kobe is really hurt this time unlike all his other fake injuries then I will be wrong. Remember in the "Boy who cried Wolf"? Eventually he got eaten by his imaginary wolf. Maybe this 1 time Kobe's fake injury will turn out real. But until I see the little boy bones licked clean by the wolf i am assuming he is faking yet again.

tonika_zr (991 posts)  3/14/2013 9:03 PM

Fair enough.

mbuser (4328 posts)  3/15/2013 12:45 AM

I guess it wouldn't really be a shock if he played. But that looked bad when it happened, anyway.

pkash (14 posts)  3/15/2013 2:39 AM

HF,  While I  agree that players over-dramatize injuries, I respectfully submit that  Kobe isn't in "playing games" mode. There certainly are players that try to garner extra attention and create storylines or narratives to attract fans and such (see Paul Pierce 2008 finals), I assure you, sir, Kobe Bryant is not one of them. 

The guy injured his ankle (see youtube video of play). He wasn't playing victim or hero. Its not like he got helped off the court. In fact, he was upset that there was an injury timeout and Lakers had to sub for him and he couldn't get back in the game. 

If he does play, it's not bc he faked an injury and wants to save the day.  It will be bc his team, HIS team, is doing their best to make the playoffs and sustain a system that will carry them to the finals. 

If he doesn't play, it will be bc the cons outweigh the pros and a game or two off would benefit him and the team in the long run. 

Thank you. 

dasein (615 posts)  3/15/2013 4:32 AM

kobe fanboy alert 

So-Tex (246 posts)  3/15/2013 6:13 AM

You know...

I want to say something about this...I really do...

...but I know myself too well. I'll start on point and on topic...but then, I'll just end up with some vague reference about Kobe dating sixteen-year-olds from Aspen, Colorado...

...or...something to that effect...

...so, I'll shut up now...

rico381 (279 posts)  3/15/2013 6:45 AM

Hf, I'm the farthest thing from a Kobe fan, but you're way off here.  Jones undercut him, and Kobe's ankle turned.  It's on film.  There are photos of the swelling.  You can't possibly be denying that Kobe's hurt.  It's hard to know exactly how long an ankle injury will take to heal until you see how much swelling there is, but he'll clearly be impaired, and could miss a few games.  If he does play, it's to his credit that he could have his ankle turn like that and be ready to go a couple days later, and that he's playing through an injury.  

Considering Jalen Rose has admitted to intentionally injuring him in the NBA finals, I don't blame Kobe if he complains about Jones doing it to him again, while he's in an intense playoff race.  I don't know of anyone else still in the league who has another player admitting they intentionally tried to injure him, but I'm sure you'd be pissed too if that kept happening.

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  3/15/2013 10:12 AM

Remember Kobe's teammate Artest just last year backward elbowing Harden? THAT was an intentional violent act. Maybe this time the hypochondriac is really sick. Kobe does like to cry victim too much. It is what keeps him from being a true star outside of LA. I just wish Kobe would stop being a bawlbag. Suck it up wuss. If u are really hurt get well play again. If u ain't hurt just play. He wants it both ways. He wants to be a tough play thru pain guy, while at the same time simpering like a schoolgirl over a hangnail.

antbanks (46 posts)  3/15/2013 10:30 AM

This comment above mine is just inane.  I don't even know where to begin. . . .

tonika_zr (991 posts)  3/15/2013 11:09 AM

wow,no room for fake storys and stuff like that, that ankle is like baloon. If he play in tonight game that would be insane-all props for him if that to happen (and I dont like LAK that much but looking KB separately from everything).

pkash (14 posts)  3/15/2013 11:10 AM

Dasein, I respect a man that goes as hard as him every night and yes that makes me a fan. 

HF, really bro? Really??? "It is what keeps him from being a true star outside of LA." I 'm assuming you don't watch too many laker games. In Atlanta the other night, the fans were yelling MVP while he was shooting free throws. The man is practically a legend in China. I don't need to say much more as your argument pretty much self-destructs with the nonsense you're putting out there. 

Thank you. 

KingKobe (157 posts)  3/15/2013 1:54 PM

As a proud Kobe fanboy, I try to keep my arguments in the sensible department. Kobe definetly plays up a lot of his injuries, which I hate, but it's obvious he got hurt this time. Is he playing up how much he's hurt? Probably. Lets just say I'll be surprised if he misses more than a game or two, but not shocked if he doesn't miss any. I have in my active lineup the one place i own him. Also, Jones has a history of dirty play, and how do you get under a guy on a fadeaway without a concerted effort. Hate that guy

Hailfire: comments like the ones you're making is what makes the less rational Kobe fans start going crazy when you trash him that badly, be a little more subjective you can't deny his toughness

mbuser (4328 posts)  3/15/2013 5:13 PM

Looks like he's going to give it a go.

mbuser (4328 posts)  3/15/2013 7:30 PM

Mike Trudell ‏@LakersReporter
Official update from LAL: @kobebryant is done for the game. He played the whole 1st Q, but can't go any more on the ankle.

mbuser (4328 posts)  3/19/2013 1:21 PM

Kurt Helin ‏@basketballtalk
D’Antoni says Kobe “probably” plays on Friday vs. Wizards http://dlvr.it/365vNQ

mbuser (4328 posts)  3/29/2013 12:11 AM

Kobe Bryant was seen limping badly in the Lakers' locker room after yet another loss, bothered by a bone spur in his left foot. He will be evaluated by doctors in Sacramento when the Lakers arrive there Friday, a day before they play the Kings to complete a four-game trip.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-bryant-has-bone-spur-in-foot-nash-has-hip-spasm-20130328,0,2913784.story

rico381 (279 posts)  4/13/2013 12:22 AM

Lakers say Kobe Bryant is suspected to have torn his left Achilles. MRI needed tomorrow to confirm but ... wowza

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/322941317124599810

KingKobe (157 posts)  4/13/2013 12:22 AM

Torn Achilles??? Say it ain't so Kobe!!

mbuser (4328 posts)  4/13/2013 12:49 AM

What a shame. Not the way things should have ended

dasein (615 posts)  4/13/2013 3:31 AM

The remarkable thing is he's gone this long without a serious injury. 

Da Ruhl (173 posts)  4/13/2013 6:46 AM

Man Kobe injury sucks.

-DR

mbuser (4328 posts)  4/13/2013 2:22 PM

Dave McMenamin ‏@mcten 
Kobe will have surgery today at 1 p.m. to repair his fully ruptured Achilles tendon. Trainer Gary Vitti says 6-9 month recovery

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 
Lakers trainer Gary Vitti expressed hope @kobebryant will be ready for the 2013-14 season-opener.

mbuser (4328 posts)  4/16/2013 6:36 PM

I don't know what is more amazing: that the Lakers will save themselves $80M in luxury taxes if they amnesty Kobe or that $80M is such a pittance to Buss that it's not a consideration.

KingKobe (157 posts)  4/24/2013 4:09 AM

$80M is not a pittance at all. In fact, Buss is not even one of the wealthier owners in the league anymore. However, the fallout from Laker fans if Kobe gets amnestied would be tremendous.

I guess the real issue is how soon Kobe can come back. If its gonna take him 9-12 months, I actually would be in favor of amnestying him and resigning him for the 14-15 season (please god don't strike me down)

mbuser (4328 posts)  4/24/2013 10:08 AM

When your TV deal alone is worth $200M per year, $80M is a pittance.

One relevant note: NBA players can't restructure contracts. Another note: after a player is amnestied, the highest bidder on the player's remaining salary through the waiver system receives the player. Obvioiusly Kobe can't be allowed to go through that process. Another note: amnestying Gasol would save the team ~$60M.

KingKobe (157 posts)  4/25/2013 3:31 AM

True any other team can get Kobe off of waivers, but he has only 1 year left on his contract and if he will sit out that year due to injury I can't see anyone wanting to pay 30 mil for a guy who's not gonna play. Amnestying Kobe is only a valid option if he will sit out the year, then signing a new contract with the Lakers (I believe he can do that since he will be a free agent no?)

Amnestying Gasol is not as good of an option because you can definetly get something back for him even if its not equal value (but again if Kobe is missing significant time I don't see how you trade Gasol unless you're writing off the entire season.

On the TV deal, how much of that money goes to revenue sharing (not a rhetorical question I actually would like to know)?

mbuser (4328 posts)  4/25/2013 11:52 AM

Teams don't have to pay a player's entire salary, they simply place a bid for the player (up to the full salary) and the high bidder wins. So the high bid would clearly be less than $30M and, whether he sits out the year or not, he would most certainly end up on another team's roster for the season.

The Lakers are assumed to be the "league leader" in revenue sharing, at around $50M annually.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/11/12/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/NBA-revenue.aspx

I don't think that Kobe or Gasol are going anywhere. Those are just some pretty eye-catching numbers

Da Ruhl (173 posts)  4/25/2013 11:56 PM

I don't see Kobe getting amnestied; however I am very much rooting for it to happen, because:

a) The combination of amnesty, can-he-come-back-from-injury, and is-he-to-old stories might cause him to actually explode - literally.

b) After the inevitable (and probably accurate) it-was-Dwight rumors, watching Kobe try to score 100 in a game against the Lakers, solely by dunking on D12, would be massively entertaining.

c) I would unquestionably watch a two hour reality-TV style special covering each of the teams preparation for their bid. It could be titled "The Auction."

d) Although I realize this would never happen, a live-bid, televised Kobe amnesty auction would be about the greatest non-game basketball TV ever.

e) Just knowing which team would win and what they bid would be fascinating.

So, never going to happen, but would be pretty fun!

-DR