antbanks (46 posts)  12/26/2012 12:12 PM

12 Teams 13 Per Team [9 Active = pts 3 reb ast stl blk fg% ft% to]

Own	Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	toV
	1	1	0.95	Durant, Kevin		OKC	SF	54		39.0	26.8	1.5	8.7	3.7	1.5	1.2	0.500	17.3	0.893	9.0	3.6	2.92	0.63	1.16	0.23	1.11	0.78	1.11	2.90	-2.32
	1	4	0.48	Curry, Stephen		GSW	PG	46		38.0	20.7	2.9	4.4	6.4	1.6	0.1	0.437	16.4	0.905	3.8	3.0	1.48	2.40	-0.44	1.45	1.40	-0.95	-0.86	1.34	-1.52
	2	20	0.28	Horford, Al		ATL	PF/C	55		36.0	16.3	0.0	10.0	3.1	0.8	1.0	0.549	12.8	0.725	3.1	1.8	0.45	-1.12	1.67	-0.03	-0.59	0.47	2.00	-0.48	0.19
	3	27	0.22	Kidd, Jason		NYK	PG	49		30.0	8.2	1.9	3.9	4.2	1.8	0.4	0.422	6.0	0.860	1.4	1.1	-1.45	1.15	-0.63	0.48	1.87	-0.46	-0.49	0.32	1.21
	3	30	0.19	Sanders, Larry		MIL	PF/C	50		27.0	8.4	0.0	8.5	1.2	0.9	3.1	0.525	6.9	0.595	1.8	1.4	-1.41	-1.12	1.12	-0.87	-0.44	3.89	0.77	-0.95	0.72
	4	37	0.16	Matthews, Wesley		POR	SG/SF	55		36.0	15.9	2.1	3.2	2.5	1.6	0.3	0.436	12.5	0.805	3.5	1.5	0.35	1.43	-0.91	-0.29	1.31	-0.64	-0.68	0.25	0.61
	5	54	0.07	Leonard, Kawhi		SAS	SG/SF	52		28.0	10.3	1.0	5.8	1.2	1.7	0.3	0.494	8.0	0.815	1.8	1.3	-0.95	0.05	0.06	-0.85	1.48	-0.62	0.43	0.18	0.86
	6	63	0.03	Teague, Jeff		ATL	PG	56		31.0	13.9	1.0	2.5	6.7	1.5	0.4	0.463	11.6	0.835	2.6	2.8	-0.12	0.03	-1.19	1.57	1.19	-0.43	-0.05	0.40	-1.16
	6	68	0.01	Ginobili, Manu		SAS	SG/SF	48		27.0	13.6	1.7	3.9	5.0	1.0	0.3	0.449	9.9	0.855	3.5	2.3	-0.19	0.88	-0.65	0.82	0.00	-0.64	-0.30	0.74	-0.55
	7	78	-0.04	Korver, Kyle		ATL	SG/SF	55		30.0	10.7	2.5	3.7	1.7	0.8	0.4	0.436	8.3	0.850	1.2	1.1	-0.85	1.85	-0.71	-0.66	-0.51	-0.46	-0.45	0.23	1.20
	7	81	-0.06	Smith, JR		NYK	SG/SF	53		31.0	12.9	1.3	4.6	2.4	1.2	0.3	0.421	11.4	0.792	2.5	1.2	-0.35	0.48	-0.39	-0.33	0.48	-0.57	-0.94	0.09	1.03
	11	124	-0.20	Davis, Ed		TOR	PF/C	53		24.0	8.1	0.0	7.3	1.1	0.7	0.9	0.555	6.0	0.670	2.2	1.1	-1.45	-1.12	0.66	-0.90	-0.91	0.37	1.01	-0.69	1.24
	13	147	-0.29	McGee, JaVale		DEN	C	51		18.0	9.9	0.0	5.2	0.4	0.3	1.8	0.588	7.2	0.545	2.7	1.1	-1.05	-1.12	-0.17	-1.22	-1.78	1.74	1.64	-1.81	1.17
Own	Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	toV
			1.80	Avg Stats/Total Values				52		30.4	13.5	1.2	5.5	3.1	1.2	0.8	0.479	10.3	0.802	3.0	1.8	-2.60	4.42	-0.43	-0.61	4.61	2.47	3.11	2.54	2.67
			1.10	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				52		30.2	13.0	1.2	5.2	3.3	1.3	0.8	0.474	10.3	0.779	2.7	1.8	-3.21	3.07	-1.54	0.72	4.92	1.79	1.47	0.09	2.55

antbanks (46 posts)  12/26/2012 3:04 PM

Screwed up the original post, sorry.

So I am considering a blockbuster trade of sorts, that would ship out world-beater Kevin Durant IF I can somehow skew my team to a full-on PUNT POINTS build.  I'm not 100% sure I can make the deal work, but I'd try to do it so that I could get back MULTIPLE 2nd-tier studs that are a better fit for Punt-Points-- something like Durant+change for Anderson Varejao, Brandon Jennings, AND Russell Westbrook, or Durant+change for Chris Paul AND Joakim Noah....

I could also possibly look to unload Sanders and McGee to go Punt-BLK, either in addition to Punt-PTS or instead of Punt-PTS.

My team is in first place in this Head-to-Head league, and I am (surprisingly) 7-1 so far in PTS on the season, but I am only 6th place out of 12 teams in cumulative Points totals (so I've gotten kind of lucky with the schedule, I suppose), and I recently picked up Jason Kidd when one of the other owners dropped him (wtf?), which has led me to reconsider my overall team "balance" and contemplate the possibility of going Punt-Points in order to find specific category strengths that will lead me to a championship this year.

I feel pretty good about my team overall, but PTS are already my major weakness, and I definitely have some trouble with a couple of other top squads in my league because of specific roster strengths within certain categories.  So I think keeping my 3PT, STL, and FT% good while building up AST and/or REB to a stronger (dominant) level, while also cutting down my TOS, is the best/easiest way to ensure victory against those top teams.  And unloading Durant (who is sure to have very high demand among some of the other owners) in exchange for multiple components that work in Punt-Points may be the best way to achieve that.

Any thoughts or experience on working with such an approach?  I could possibly even deal Stephen Curry if I want to go even harder for Punt-Points, although he give me more definitive strengths in some of the other rare categories like 3PT, AST, and STL, so finding the right deal there could be a bit trickier.

ZeroStatic (164 posts)  12/26/2012 3:11 PM

The problem with unloading Durant, is that he is the best player to help you in both percentages. Pretty much any trade you do will massively decrease either one or both of your percentages.

For that reason, I'd be looking for something more like Ibaka + Someone so you get help in those percentages. Ibaka and Paul are both good fits here, but I'm not a big fan of picking up Jennings and Westbrook, since you'll end up hurting your FG% just as much as your points.

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/26/2012 6:45 PM

I'm a big advocate of punt pts as I feel that what you end up with are the most efficient players in the NBA. It's how I run all of my teams and I highly recommend it if you know what you're doing (a lot of people are clueless), but are you aware that Durant is the #1 player in a punt pts setting? Maybe you are using your perception more than looking at the numbers. And dude, Stephen Curry is like #4 or #5 for projected punt pts.LOL! You really need to do a lot of analysis before you change your strategy. Also, Chris Paul & Noah is far better than Russell Westbrook and Varejao or whoever else you were targeting. Forget Westbrook, you may as well keep Durant. Jennings & Westbrook are decent punt pts options because of their massive contributions in several categories but pale in comparison to Paul & Noah who are like both top 5. Do try and get more than CP3 & Noah because I'm sure you can, even though that would be good value. Try a 3 for 3 if you can pull it off.

mbuser (4316 posts)  12/27/2012 12:15 AM

I'm not a huge fan of trading away Durant, but Paul/Noah is one package that would be worth it. As twilo said, you may as well try for more if you can.

# 14678 (33 posts)  12/27/2012 1:58 PM

Warning: Long story ahead.

I pulled off a punt points midseason in a roto league about 4 years ago (2008-09 season).  My team was pretty bad in points to begin with (I probably was a 2 or 3 in a 10-team league).  My first several picks were busts: Amare Stoudemire (coming off his career season) at #2, Allen Iverson at #19 overall (coming off an excellent season, but wound up going to Detroit and going downhill from there), and Kevin Martin at #22 overall (played 51 games).  The rest of the draft didn't go much better.  It was flat out the worst draft I ever had.  About 2 months into the season, I realized I had no chance at winning the league (or even finishing respectably) if I stood pat.

I made several trades in an effort to pull of my tank strategy.  I trade Allen Iverson and other pieces for a slumping Shawn Marion, who wasn't having a good season either, but fit a tank points strategy.  I moved Wilson Chandler, who was on a hot streak, for David Lee.  I ditched the hot shooting Jamal Crawford for a more steady player in Elton Brand, who I then shipped along with Amare and Kevin Martin (both injured) for Garnett, Calderon, and Lopez.  Essentially, what I was trying to do was offload all of my points for improved percentages, which are extremely important to manage when you start tanking points since your team will be taking fewer FGA and FTA than the competition.

After I made those essential trades, I followed those up with a few others: by virtue of tanking points, your turnovers will be very low, so I tried to improve my assists, even at the cost of increased turnovers.  These types of guys (think Rondo, Holiday, etc. this year) are typically overvalued, so you'll be giving up some value to acquire them.  Calderon was an important piece for me, but I followed that up by swapping Rip Hamilton for T.J. Ford; then Rodney Stuckey and Delonte West for Chris Duhon (who was a terrible fantasy player overall, but fit my needs very well).  I also traded for guys like Mo Williams (shoot healthy percentages with respectable assist numbers); I later upgraded him for Nash (throwing in Delonte West and Rasheed Wallace as well, both of whom were ranked higher than Nash).  Essentially, I overtraded according to the rankings for Nash, but he was so important to this strategy with his excellent percentages, triples, and assists, especially given that you can eat his low points and high turnovers.

The finishing touches were picking up free agents like Samuel Dalembert, Ronny Turiaf, Chris Andersen, Jamario Moon, etc: guys you'd never consider in a normal team.  These were essential to helping me prop up my FG%, shoring up rebounds, and padding my block totals, as well as giving me the low turnovers I needed to offset the likes of Nash and Duhon.

Long story short, I won my league by a point.  I took a "1" in points, "4" in treys, "6.5" in FT%, "8" in blocks, and got "9" and "10" everywhere else, including the elusive combination of assists and turnovers.  This is not a strategy I recommend in general.  I had to pull off like 8-10 trades, which is very unlikely in most leagues.  It's not an approach you want to have going into the draft because it severely hampers your flexibility, but it's not one that you can likely pull off midseason because it's typically so hard to move players for the categories you need.  However, my team was desperate and already sucked at points, so it was an easy decision for me.  Even if I hadn't been able to move all the pieces I did, I still would have improved my team considerably.  However, because it was such a terrible team several months into the season, I needed to pull out all the stops to get my team to the top of the standings.

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/27/2012 5:44 PM

LOL...So you won! You make it sound like such a bummer, if you managed all your teams that way you probably would have won them all or at least most.What I love the most about this strategy is that picking up a guy like Chuck Hayes is like getting a free 3rd rd pick off the waiver wire, if that's not serious  impact I don't know what is. Imagine if you started with that strategy and not midseason, you would have won by a lot more. Anyway, good to hear a success story. Dalembert, Jamario Moon, Chris Anderson, Ronny Turiaf I love it. Classic. 

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/27/2012 5:52 PM

I see that you did this in a 10 tm lg, that seems small. I'd do it in  a 12 tm or larger.

# 14678 (33 posts)  12/28/2012 12:19 AM

LOL...So you won! You make it sound like such a bummer, if you managed all your teams that way you probably would have won them all or at least most.What I love the most about this strategy is that picking up a guy like Chuck Hayes is like getting a free 3rd rd pick off the waiver wire, if that's not serious  impact I don't know what is. Imagine if you started with that strategy and not midseason, you would have won by a lot more. Anyway, good to hear a success story. Dalembert, Jamario Moon, Chris Anderson, Ronny Turiaf I love it. Classic.

It was a fine strategy, but only because I was flexible.  I expected my first three picks (Amare, Iverson, and Martin) to carry me in points while I shored up the peripheral stats late, but I had to abandon that strategy.  This year, I entered a $100/team money league and strongly considered tanking points to make up for my poor draft position.  My first few picks didn't exactly suck at points, but they derived far less of their values from points than players drafted at similar positions.  It turns out because I drafted so well in the mid-to-late rounds, my team is actually above average in points (and currently winning the league) and I've since shifted my focus to a more-balanced approach.

Basically, don't walk into your draft forcing a particular strategy, but be adaptible, even if you're already in the middle of the season.

twilo28 (212 posts)  12/28/2012 12:37 AM

I think I agree with most of what you're saying. I've had to adjust my strategy in some leagues. It's fun but a bit of a headache. Who are some of your guys that you are talking about whih you drafted?