ujdmc (1 posts)  1/11/2013 5:51 PM

what r your thoughts about me getting Deron Williams for Joakim Noah? 

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Roster Positions: PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, Util, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, BN

Players Stat Categories: Field Goal Percentage (FG%), Free Throw Percentage (FT%), 3-point Shots Made (3PTM), Points Scored (PTS), Total Rebounds (REB), Assists (AST), Steals (ST), Blocked Shots (BLK)

10 Teams 14 Per Team [8 Active = pts 3 reb ast stl blk fg% ft%]

Own	Round	Rank	Value	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V
	1	3	0.87	0.12	Harden, James		HOU	SG/SF	45		38.0	25.9	2.0	4.5	5.4	1.8	0.4	0.445	16.9	0.860	10.3	2.59	1.20	-0.54	0.87	1.67	-0.47	-0.65	2.24
	1	7	0.65	-0.02	Irving, Kyrie		CLE	PG	43		36.0	23.6	2.2	3.9	5.8	1.6	0.4	0.466	18.3	0.839	5.3	2.06	1.45	-0.76	1.03	1.11	-0.50	-0.04	0.85
	2	12	0.47	0.70	Noah, Joakim		CHI	PF/C	44		39.0	12.8	0.0	10.6	4.5	1.3	2.1	0.485	10.1	0.802	3.7	-0.53	-1.12	1.78	0.50	0.48	2.09	0.32	0.22
	3	25	0.23	-0.17	Lowry, Kyle		TOR	PG	44		31.7	16.1	1.8	4.8	6.3	1.4	0.4	0.417	11.7	0.820	5.6	0.26	0.97	-0.42	1.25	0.74	-0.57	-1.03	0.61
	6	58	0.03	0.54	Thompson, Klay		GSW	SG/SF	47		35.0	16.1	2.7	4.1	2.6	1.1	0.6	0.417	14.0	0.865	2.0	0.26	2.08	-0.71	-0.34	-0.08	-0.21	-1.24	0.46
	7	70	-0.02	0.39	Monroe, Greg		DET	C	45		32.0	15.7	0.0	9.1	3.1	1.3	0.6	0.489	12.2	0.711	5.4	0.17	-1.12	1.19	-0.14	0.56	-0.26	0.46	-1.03
	8	71	-0.03	0.03	Ginobili, Manu		SAS	SG/SF	40		25.0	13.1	1.7	3.7	4.8	1.2	0.2	0.446	9.5	0.845	3.4	-0.46	0.83	-0.86	0.61	0.19	-0.80	-0.35	0.61
	8	72	-0.03	0.32	Leonard, Kawhi		SAS	SG/SF	43		28.0	11.2	1.1	5.6	1.2	1.8	0.4	0.491	8.7	0.820	1.9	-0.92	0.13	-0.14	-0.94	1.57	-0.52	0.37	0.21
	9	87	-0.12	0.40	Faried, Kenneth		DEN	PF	44		30.0	12.3	0.0	10.2	1.0	1.1	1.0	0.545	9.1	0.626	3.8	-0.65	-1.12	1.60	-1.04	0.11	0.49	1.24	-1.63
	11	104	-0.22	0.45	Hickson, JJ		POR	PF/C	46		29.0	12.7	0.0	10.6	1.1	0.6	0.7	0.575	9.4	0.623	3.0	-0.55	-1.12	1.78	-0.99	-1.31	-0.06	1.78	-1.31
	12	111	-0.25	0.64	Marion, Shawn		DAL	SF/PF	44		31.0	10.1	0.3	8.3	2.6	0.9	0.7	0.467	9.5	0.797	1.3	-1.17	-0.83	0.88	-0.35	-0.59	-0.02	0.00	0.06
	14	132	-0.38	0.56	Beal, Bradley		WAS	SG	47		32.0	14.0	1.3	3.8	2.9	1.0	0.4	0.387	13.0	0.826	3.2	-0.25	0.38	-0.83	-0.20	-0.30	-0.43	-1.84	0.40
	16	155	-0.50	0.15	Jordan, DeAndre		LAC	C	45		24.0	8.9	0.0	7.0	0.3	0.6	1.7	0.620	6.0	0.490	2.9	-1.47	-1.12	0.40	-1.36	-1.22	1.48	1.61	-2.35
	16	158	-0.53	0.00	McGee, JaVale		DEN	C	43		19.0	10.3	0.0	5.2	0.5	0.4	2.0	0.568	7.6	0.545	3.1	-1.12	-1.12	-0.30	-1.27	-1.78	2.01	1.35	-2.02
Own	Round	Rank	Value	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V
			0.11	4.12	Avg Stats/Total Values				44		30.7	14.5	0.9	6.5	3.0	1.1	0.8	0.474	11.1	0.763	3.9	-1.79	-0.52	3.07	-2.38	1.14	2.22	1.84	-2.72
			0.11	4.12	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				44		30.7	14.5	0.9	6.5	3.0	1.1	0.8	0.474	11.1	0.763	3.9	-1.79	-0.52	3.07	-2.38	1.14	2.22	1.84	-2.72

castorius (78 posts)  1/17/2013 5:32 PM

It's funny you mention this trade possibility, because I was thinking of the exact same thing, only the opposite.  I have Deron Williams, but was thinking of trading him for Noah.  I don't really want to trade Williams because he's uptrending now with the new coach (check his games since PJ Carlesimo started coaching), but because I have another deal in the works for Chris Paul, so I need to get rid of a PG.

Based on current stats, Noah is very similar in value to Deron.  However, because Deron is uptrending and likely to increase his current average numbers (due to his poor start this season), Deron may hold more long term value.  Noah on the otherhand is downtrending since his excellent start.  His numbers have been declining in the last month and is likely to continue declining especially when Derrick Rose returns.

I don't see too much of a change in Noah's numbers, but its just the fact that he overachieved in the early part of the season and now he's going back closer to his norm.  Deron is the complete opposite, he underachieved early in the year, and is just starting to go back to his norm which means he's in the upswing.

I wouldn't do this trade if I'm a Deron owner (which I am in this case).  The only way I'm gonna do this is if I get a little extra - like a 2 for 2 swap where the 2nd player he's giving me is slightly better than the 2nd player I'm giving him.

Overall, it's not a terribly bad deal, but I think the Deron owner should get slightly more (you might be able to get away with it if the guy you're trading with only looks at the current numbers for what they are).

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  1/17/2013 5:45 PM

Noah is a guy people have a hard time rejecting in trade offers. I on the other hand am still wary of Deron Williams. I would rather have Noah of the 2. Maybe if u hold off Deron will build up more of a positive trend. I am sure Noah will maintain he has been a beast all year. Plus Noah gets a snowout game makeup sometime in the future.