rushour (13 posts)  1/31/2013 2:08 AM

Who has a better rest of season outlook from now on?

dasein (658 posts)  1/31/2013 4:41 AM

probably Barnes

rico381 (290 posts)  1/31/2013 6:51 AM

Barnes and it's not close.

So-Tex (255 posts)  1/31/2013 4:52 PM

Butler's been playing well, and now with the possibility that he may be a regular in the rotation, he'd be a nice pickup for the bottom of your bench at this point, especially if you're swapping out "flavors of the week" with a roster spot or two..

However, if you're looking for the safe return on investment, it's Barnes in my opinion. And like others have been saying over in the Butler thread, it's all about how many minutes the two will receive. Barnes will get his 26+ and then some, easily. Butler is still an unknown.

vnmslsrbms (65 posts)  2/1/2013 9:18 PM

I'd think Butler (apparently just me).  Matt Barnes has to deal with the return of Grant Hill eventually eating into his minutes.  I think Lamar playing better may be contributing to his recent decline as well.  Butler has been getting good minutes even with Deng back.  Thibs is not shy about playing him instead of Hamilton at SG for his defense.  Although if you are looking for 3's Barnes is still a better option.  If you think Barnes can keep up his early season production though, he's the clear choice.  I just don't think he will keep it up, and his minutes over the last two weeks is at 24 (with the ejection  game tho).

mbuser (4380 posts)  2/2/2013 1:20 PM

Barnes is the choice here unless there is a pretty significant disparity in minutes played. Check the per-36 numbers to this point and compare combined threes-steals-blocks. It's not remotely close:

vnmslsrbms (65 posts)  2/3/2013 8:36 PM

I would think Barnes' numbers (FG% and 3pt%) will continue to tail off to career pct's, but I do agree that even with that his per 36 numbers are superior to that of Butler's.  However he is doing all this good work in just 26 minutes a game, and over the last two weeks Butler has averaged 41.  Butler's per 36 numbers actually improved from 15 round to 9th round when you compare the periods from start to 1/18 and 1/19 to now (in my league settings which favors rebounders and scorers a little more).  So while he is not a per minute juggernaut like Splitter et al, he did improve some with more playing time, and he's getting alot of playing time.  

Then you are basically comparing Matt Barnes's per 26 numbers to Butler's per 41 numbers.  If Butler goes down to 30mpg then his advantage is probably erased, but at 41 he should beat Barnes.  Below are Butler's actual per game from 1/19 to now, and Barnes' numbers per game pre slump (Season start to 1/18, best case).  

Man I wasted all this team just to repeat what Buser said is that Barnes is the choice unless there is a significant disparity in minutes played.  

mbuser (4380 posts)  2/4/2013 12:50 AM

This is getting closer all the time, though, eh? If Barnes doesn't pick up the three-point shooting, then his clear advantage evaporates.