philzilla (46 posts)  10/27/2012 10:21 AM

This guy is an absolute beast. I picked him up for a dollar last night. Anyone else think he could end up being the steal of the draft?

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  10/27/2012 11:49 AM

I hope so. He is my lottery ticket in the BOSF competition. I pray that he is not Thabeet the repeat.

philzilla (46 posts)  10/27/2012 6:32 PM

Thabeet never played like that in the preseason. This guy looks like STAT out there.

amsid (33 posts)  10/27/2012 9:27 PM

He shows a lot of promise, but I'm hesitate to bite until a bit into the season. If he shows some flashes of solid value then I might consider stashing him

neocache (69 posts)  11/11/2012 8:45 AM

At what point does Detroit start giving Drummond more run? They're horrible. Nothing to lose by seeing what happens with 25-30 minutes per game. Working high/low post with Monroe sounds promising.

# 13402 (19 posts)  11/11/2012 4:46 PM

i've stashed, as they are going to be out of the playoff race quite soon.

TheTacoShop (3 posts)  11/11/2012 11:43 PM

I'm in a 12 team, 12 man dynasty league. We get to keep one rookie for next season (with rookies incurring an auction type affair next season). Andre seems to have potential dropping 22 points and 8 boards in 20 minutes against OKC. However do you think its better having a JJ or Jason Thompson etc on your bench rather than stashing Drummond?

joshlloyd48 (4 posts)  11/12/2012 5:31 AM

Considering dropping ilyasova for Drummond in a 14 team 10 man roster league, 5 player keeper league. Thoughts?

Also considering vucevic for ilyasova. I haven't played ilyasova all season, so I could keep vucevic or Drummond on the bench in hope they break out

14 Teams 10 Per Team $200 Per Team [7 Active = pts reb ast stl fg% ft% to, 2 Punted = 3 blk]

Own	Round	Rank	PuntV	LeagV	Punt+	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	toV
	1	11	0.38	0.19	+0.19	Garnett, Kevin		BOS	PF/C	68		31.0	15.6	0.0	8.3	2.9	1.0	0.8	0.509	12.8	0.859	2.8	1.7	0.17	-1.03	0.88	-0.13	-0.06	0.08	0.81	0.64	0.38
	1	13	0.37	0.43	-0.05	Curry, Stephen		GSW	PG/SG	64		35.0	18.6	2.3	4.0	6.9	1.6	0.3	0.484	14.3	0.897	2.7	3.2	0.91	1.88	-0.70	1.61	1.39	-0.67	0.20	0.89	-1.67
	1	14	0.36	0.10	+0.26	Boozer, Carlos		CHI	PF	72		33.0	18.3	0.0	9.8	2.5	1.0	0.4	0.537	14.8	0.702	3.4	2.3	0.82	-1.08	1.45	-0.31	0.03	-0.58	1.70	-0.66	-0.50
	2	18	0.33	0.07	+0.25	Lee, David		GSW	PF/C	72		35.0	18.8	0.0	8.4	3.1	1.0	0.4	0.514	15.0	0.791	4.3	2.4	0.94	-1.08	0.93	-0.06	-0.17	-0.56	1.05	0.19	-0.60
	2	21	0.25	0.12	+0.13	Conley, Mike		MEM	PG	74		35.0	13.0	1.0	2.6	6.6	2.0	0.2	0.444	11.1	0.832	2.6	2.0	-0.43	0.22	-1.25	1.51	2.23	-0.87	-0.69	0.39	-0.03
	2	24	0.23	0.07	+0.16	Pekovic, Nikola		MIN	C	72		32.0	16.8	0.0	8.4	0.9	0.7	0.8	0.565	11.5	0.751	5.1	1.7	0.47	-1.08	0.93	-1.01	-0.75	0.11	1.94	-0.30	0.35
	2	27	0.23	-0.01	+0.24	Parker, Tony		SAS	PG	72		32.0	18.2	0.3	2.9	7.6	1.0	0.1	0.502	14.4	0.791	4.5	2.6	0.81	-0.68	-1.12	1.93	-0.09	-1.04	0.69	0.20	-0.83
	3	39	0.17	0.20	-0.03	Lowry, Kyle		TOR	PG	71		34.0	15.3	1.9	4.4	7.3	1.6	0.3	0.420	11.7	0.858	4.2	2.8	0.12	1.29	-0.56	1.79	1.32	-0.69	-1.26	0.94	-1.16
	4	45	0.14	0.20	-0.06	George, Paul		IND	SG/SF	74		35.5	14.6	1.6	7.2	3.0	1.9	0.7	0.443	12.0	0.807	3.0	2.7	-0.05	0.92	0.48	-0.07	2.08	-0.10	-0.76	0.26	-0.96
	5	68	-0.05	-0.01	-0.04	Ilyasova, Ersan		MIL	SF/PF	74		30.0	13.3	1.1	8.8	1.4	0.8	0.7	0.442	10.8	0.767	3.5	1.3	-0.36	0.30	1.10	-0.80	-0.50	-0.03	-0.70	-0.07	0.94
Own	Round	Rank	PuntV	LeagV	Punt+	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	toV
			2.40	1.34	+1.06	Avg Stats/Total Values				71		33.3	16.3	0.8	6.5	4.2	1.3	0.5	0.488	12.8	0.799	3.6	2.3	3.41	-0.34	2.14	4.46	5.48	-4.36	2.82	2.56	-4.08
			2.28	1.16	+1.13	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				71		33.6	16.7	0.7	6.4	4.2	1.3	0.5	0.501	13.2	0.794	3.5	2.3	3.64	-1.93	1.60	3.46	4.65	-3.63	4.82	1.67	-3.87

jimbajuice (1 posts)  11/13/2012 9:02 AM

im always hesitant to combine the words "detroit" and "stash" due to some shaky histoy with "freeing" upside players: see daye, austin

mbuser (4335 posts)  11/13/2012 11:43 AM

Austin Daye

dsdza (13 posts)  11/14/2012 11:47 PM

unfortunately, it sounds like lawrence frank is going to ease drummond into the playing time i feel he should be getting over maxiell.  i will grit my teeth and wait for the unleashing.  free andre drummond.  

jboldt73 (49 posts)  11/15/2012 6:42 AM

I don't see Frank putting Drummond in the starting lineup until after the All Star Break.  Maxiell has been decent so far.  A person I would be keeping an eye on is Kyle Singler, the media is already hounding Frank to bring Stuckey off the bench.  Singler has been very good off the bench and played very well with the starting unit last night.  I picked him up in a couple of leagues to see what happens.

philzilla (46 posts)  12/6/2012 5:48 PM

Andre Drummond is about to blow up. Last call to get on board if he hasn't gotten picked up in your league yet.

ak murthy (196 posts)  12/6/2012 7:04 PM

He reminds me so much of Favors... Produces steals/blocks in limited minutes, great rebounding rates (especially orebs), and drool worthy per 36 numbers.

I don't know if he's going to get the time this year, but I believe that Drummond is a future fantasy force. Depending on how he finishes the season he will be on my target list for next season, but Im happy to use my last roster spot to stash him for the time being as a FT punter.

minw00 (3 posts)  12/29/2012 2:29 AM

Hey Buser,

When do you think Drummond will start or see significant minutes?

mbuser (4335 posts)  12/29/2012 1:12 PM

The trade deadline is Feb 21, and Maxiell is assumed to be on the move to a contender. I think the way Frank has been deploying Drummond has been good for his acclimation to the NBA game, it seems like he's slowing adding minutes. Maybe by the deadline we see him fully unleashed, but the entire Pistons rotation seems like it is in flux right now.

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  2/7/2013 1:14 AM

In a late breaking story it seems Drummond has a bruised assbone (coccyx) and not a back issue. Give the man a hemmorhoid donut pillow, a few days and he should be good as new. At least while standing

brandonislegend (115 posts)  2/7/2013 1:57 AM

Someone just dropped Drummond, should I drop anyone for him?

12 Teams 13 Per Team [9 Active = pts 3 reb ast stl blk fg% ft% to]

Own	Round	Rank	Value	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	toV
	1	8	0.41	-2.94	Irving, Kyrie		CLE	PG	32		36.0	24.1	2.0	3.6	6.0	1.8	0.4	0.466	19.2	0.845	5.0	3.5	2.22	1.14	-0.78	1.24	1.69	-0.48	-0.02	0.90	-2.23
	1	11	0.38	-0.79	Aldridge, LaMarcus		POR	C/PF	32		39.0	21.8	0.0	9.3	2.6	1.0	1.3	0.492	18.1	0.815	4.9	2.1	1.70	-1.14	1.37	-0.28	-0.24	0.98	0.87	0.46	-0.28
	2	16	0.30	0.41	Gasol, Marc		MEM	C	33		33.0	13.0	0.0	7.5	3.8	1.1	1.9	0.496	10.3	0.845	3.4	1.7	-0.34	-1.14	0.69	0.23	-0.05	1.92	0.57	0.61	0.24
	2	20	0.24	-0.18	Korver, Kyle		ATL	SG/SF	33		34.0	12.3	3.1	4.4	2.1	1.1	0.5	0.471	8.7	0.820	1.2	0.9	-0.50	2.42	-0.46	-0.52	0.02	-0.37	0.08	0.13	1.36
	3	32	0.18	-0.39	Millsap, Paul		UTA	PF	30		32.0	15.6	0.0	7.8	2.7	1.6	1.0	0.501	11.8	0.735	5.1	1.9	0.25	-1.14	0.81	-0.26	1.33	0.45	0.77	-0.70	0.07
	4	37	0.16	0.16	Conley, Mike		MEM	PG	33		34.0	13.6	1.4	2.6	6.2	2.2	0.2	0.429	11.4	0.840	2.9	2.3	-0.22	0.43	-1.17	1.35	2.68	-0.73	-0.82	0.47	-0.56
	5	56	0.05	-2.21	Lawson, Ty		DEN	PG	32		34.0	16.8	1.1	2.7	7.0	1.5	0.1	0.466	13.2	0.790	4.3	2.5	0.52	0.07	-1.10	1.69	0.91	-0.98	-0.01	0.09	-0.76
	5	60	0.04	-0.43	Parsons, Chandler		HOU	SF/PF	30		36.0	14.4	1.9	5.9	3.3	1.2	0.4	0.463	11.8	0.745	2.1	2.1	-0.04	1.04	0.07	0.03	0.29	-0.48	-0.08	-0.23	-0.26
	6	63	0.03	-1.31	Mayo, OJ		DAL	SG	32		36.0	16.4	1.7	3.7	4.6	1.4	0.3	0.456	13.1	0.841	3.3	2.8	0.44	0.84	-0.74	0.61	0.76	-0.65	-0.28	0.55	-1.24
	9	103	-0.13	-0.60	Afflalo, Arron		ORL	SG/SF	31		37.0	18.2	1.5	3.6	3.3	0.7	0.2	0.458	14.7	0.850	3.8	2.3	0.85	0.55	-0.77	0.02	-0.96	-0.88	-0.25	0.74	-0.49
	9	104	-0.14	0.24	Jack, Jarrett		GSW	PG/SG	32		31.0	13.8	1.2	3.6	5.8	0.8	0.0	0.468	11.2	0.870	2.4	2.2	-0.18	0.26	-0.77	1.14	-0.71	-1.13	0.04	0.59	-0.46
	10	119	-0.18	0.31	Felton, Raymond		NYK	PG/SG	33		32.0	13.1	1.4	2.8	6.7	1.1	0.1	0.418	12.3	0.800	1.8	2.0	-0.33	0.44	-1.10	1.54	-0.02	-0.96	-1.15	0.09	-0.18
	13	151	-0.30	1.22	Favors, Derrick		UTA	C/PF	31		21.0	9.4	0.0	6.0	0.9	0.9	1.3	0.514	7.0	0.662	3.4	1.4	-1.18	-1.14	0.13	-1.04	-0.53	0.90	0.63	-1.16	0.68
Own	Round	Rank	Value	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	toV
			1.06	-0.50	Avg Stats/Total Values				414		33.5	15.6	1.2	4.9	4.3	1.2	0.6	0.468	12.5	0.804	3.3	2.1	3.16	2.74	-3.95	5.93	5.21	-2.43	0.26	2.68	-4.09
			0.45	-0.31	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				317		32.8	14.3	1.2	4.8	4.0	1.2	0.6	0.470	11.3	0.796	3.2	2.0	-0.44	2.29	-3.43	3.37	3.79	-1.94	0.59	1.23	-1.39

twilo28 (212 posts)  2/7/2013 7:39 AM

He could single-handedly demolish your nice FT% but you look pretty desperate for rebounding help.

mbuser (4335 posts)  2/7/2013 2:11 PM

You need to trade a guard (Jack or Felton) for a big.

brandonislegend (115 posts)  2/7/2013 3:37 PM

That's funny cause I have been trying exactly that, no one wants to trade in my league though I even tried to undersell them and everyone declined, there's only been 1 trade the whole year. I dont know what to do I am just punting rebounds atm.

mbuser (4335 posts)  2/8/2013 5:55 PM

Keith Langlois ‏@Keith_Langlois
4 to 6 weeks for Drummond. Stress fracture in 5th lumbar vertebrae

This is a real bummer and obviously resets expectations for him gaining real momentum in the 2nd half. Maxiell, Jerebko, Villanueva, Kravstov fill in the blank here.

vnmslsrbms (65 posts)  2/8/2013 10:16 PM

@brandonislegend - Hate that.  Some owners just really overvalue their players, and then on top of that they want to make sure they are coming out ahead so unless one side really gets screwed a trade is not going down.  

brandonislegend (115 posts)  2/9/2013 3:32 PM

Yeah this league is boring as hell this year, 1 trade the whole season in a 12 player league. Damn. I have sent hella trades out too. 

kslight (999 posts)  2/25/2013 8:24 AM

Progressing well and "could hit the court within a week or so".

http://on.freep.com/VI50rS

Saikyo (15 posts)  2/25/2013 3:02 PM

This seems like one of the best late season pickups for all of you in standard leagues. With 15% ownership rate (Yahoo), he should be available in almost all but the deepest of leagues.

dasein (620 posts)  2/25/2013 3:44 PM

already grabbed him in a couple of leagues where I need help at C. Crossing fingers time now.

ferris (307 posts)  2/25/2013 8:27 PM

the ft impact is death in that category, i want to trade for his other stats but i just can't see him as a player that should be on a roto team that isn't punting free throws

dasein (620 posts)  2/25/2013 8:44 PM

FT is a problem yes, but we're only talking a quater of a season at best and his attempts arn't at Dwight's level, so if you have a Harden or Durant on board (as I do in a couple of leagues where I grabed him) you can probably weather it if you need the blks and boards. But I agree, he is closer to a situational play than an automatic pickup type of guy. 

brandonislegend (115 posts)  2/25/2013 8:54 PM

Should I drop Harkless for Drummond? 

ferris (307 posts)  2/25/2013 9:17 PM

true that it's not dwight bad but according to bbm projections andre has the 2nd worst free throw value in the league -- i would love to get him as a situational play but i don't think i can justify cutting a good PG for him

Hailfire4 (510 posts)  3/13/2013 6:15 PM

Drummond is still out. vague descriptions. Since Feb 19 he has been pain free. Yet 5 weeks into his 4-6 week initial timeline nothing official. I have the playoffs coming up next week and don't want to carry any dead weight. A wasted 5 weeks carrying this lump. My luck right after I cut him the Pistons announce his return date. Carrying a stash guy has had horrible results this year. Bogut was the closest thing to a success.

mbuser (4335 posts)  3/13/2013 7:50 PM

Andre Drummond patient, even if mentally drained, as Detroit Pistons' center rehabs

We've got his return date as March 26, for what it's worth.

mbuser (4335 posts)  3/18/2013 5:57 PM

Vincent Goodwill ‏@vgoodwill
Drummond doing more on court work with the team today...no timetable for return but could it be soon?

David Mayo ‏@David_Mayo
Andre Drummond got up and down court, did some team activities during #Pistons shootaround today. A good sign.

PaulMRichard (21 posts)  3/21/2013 10:52 AM

Okay so its getting to the end of the bye week. Should I keep holding onto this dude in hopes of getting some produciton in the next two weeks? Top available FAs are Courtney Lee, Aminu, McBob and guys like that.

mbuser (4335 posts)  3/21/2013 11:45 AM

Time isn't on Andre Drummond's side. With less than a month left in his rookie season, the Pistons center is without a timetable to return. He didn't sound convinced Wednesday that his injured back would heal in time to play in the final 13 games. "Oh, of course," he said, when asked about wanting to return this season. "I don't want to sit out, but if it has to come to that, then that's what it has to come to."
http://www.freep.com/article/20130321/SPORTS03/303210216/1051/sports03

mbuser (4335 posts)  3/21/2013 11:52 AM

But then there is this:

Keith Langlois ‏@Keith_Langlois
Andre Drummond went through full practice today. Says he feels great. Still no timetable for return, but he was very upbeat - and sweaty.

Still a risky hold. No timetable established, he might not play a lot immediately, and he'll still tank your FT%.

mbuser (4335 posts)  3/23/2013 11:13 PM

Vincent Goodwill ‏@vgoodwill 
Not a betting man, but I think Andre Drummond makes his return, in the starting lineup, Tuesday night. #Pistons

Take that for what you will..

jacer333 (59 posts)  3/25/2013 10:41 AM

Any word of progress toward tomorrow night here?  He is sitting in the FA pool in a league of mine that counts free throws made instead of percentage, so he could be a valuable add if he gets the green light.

mbuser (4335 posts)  3/25/2013 11:32 AM

His status is still up in the air:

DetroitBadBoys ? ‏@detroitbadboys 
Andre Drummond might return & make 1st career start on Tuesday against Timberwolves. Then again, he might not http://sbn.to/ZPK2Yy

scottkimberly (100 posts)  3/28/2013 4:29 PM

On bye. Made a speculative add here for next week, because Detroit plays max games. Any chance Drummond plays 4 next week?

mbuser (4335 posts)  3/28/2013 4:47 PM

There's a chance. Two back-to-backs, so nothing guaranteed.

mbuser (4335 posts)  3/29/2013 11:33 AM

Completely healed, back and in the starting five. Looks like he's a full go.

Keith Langlois ‏@Keith_Langlois
Andre Drummond will start tonight vs TOR.

scottkimberly (100 posts)  3/29/2013 4:14 PM

Reasonable expectations?

mbuser (4335 posts)  3/29/2013 4:27 PM

Boards and blocks, high FG%, low FT%.

rico381 (280 posts)  4/2/2013 1:45 PM

Was looking into the numbers for a keeper discussion on another thread, and found that Drummond's numbers are even better than I had thought.  If you look at all players under the age of 20 in NBA history, Drummond's per-minute and per-possession numbers are the best in just about every category possible.  He leads in PER, ahead of some pretty impressive names, and if you sort by other things you'll find that he also leads in WS/48, in Reb/36, and Blk/36.  He's also second in FG%, and most impressively, second in Stl/36, despite being a center.

For example, here's Drummond vs. Dwight vs. Davis as 19-year-old rookies.

Drummond crushes the others in FG%, Rebounds, Steals,  and Blocks, and TOs.  That's five categories Drummond significantly beats the other guys, with no difference in 3PM and Assists, and only a few points behind to Davis in points.  The only category Drummond falls behind them is FT%.

Drummond is so good as a rookie, his performance stands up to the best from any age.  Here is this year's stats, age 19 Drummond vs. age 27 Dwight:

Again, Drummond's numbers beat Dwight in just about every category.  Dwight scores more points, but that's only because he shoots more FTs, which also has the effect of making his higher FT% nonetheless far more harmful.  Drummond's defensive stats are eye-popping, and perhaps most importantly, his TO numbers are very low.  With Dwight, one of the biggest dilemmas was that a team built around Dwight (and maybe Griffin too) wouldn't just be punting TOs; it would have high turnovers before you even got started with your guards.  With Drummond, you don't have that problem.

I don't think we're giving Drummond the attention he deserves beyond this year.  As soon as he gets 30+ mpg, we're looking at the new face of punt-FT% builds.  Think prime Ben Wallace with a monster FG% impact.

mbuser (4335 posts)  4/2/2013 1:56 PM

Yeah, I've seen these kinds of numbers occassionally pop up in my twitter feed this season. The new face of the punt-PTS build, too, with FT% almost always being the secondary punt in that strategy.

JT Marlin (54 posts)  4/2/2013 1:56 PM

Nice post rico381.  If only the FT% wasn't so abysmal.  It's really tough to take guys like him in a roto-league.

ZeroStatic (165 posts)  4/3/2013 1:16 AM

He has almost 0 offense created by himself. He's in a pretty good spot right now, but I'd put forward the proposition that if he and Dwight swapped roles, he'd be even better on offense for that Lakers team than he is for Detroit.

The main problem for me is finding a viable punt FT% build to put around him. I just don't know whether there are enough players that fit around Drummond to draft a championship H2H team in a competitive league, especially if someone else is building around Dwight or Smith.

Rondo, Holiday, Dragic, Iggy end up being your options, but they're going to be hard to get in almost any situation I can imagine.

At the very least, there is a distinct possibility of getting Drummond a number of rounds later than Dwight, which might facilitate an easier draft, but you don't really want to take punt FT% guards unless you're guaranteed to get Drummond later...

wotto11 (1 posts)  4/6/2013 10:45 PM

Per 36 min value this year punting FT%:

Own	Round	Rank	PuntV	LeagV	Punt+	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	min/g	pts/g	3/g	reb/g	ast/g	stl/g	blk/g	fg%	fga/g	ft%	fta/g	to/g	ptsV	3V	rebV	astV	stlV	blkV	fg%V	ft%V	toV
	1	1	0.77	0.61	+0.17	James, Lebron		MIA	SF/PF	73		38.1	26.9	1.4	8.1	7.2	1.7	0.9	0.562	18.0	0.747	7.0	3.0	2.55	0.02	0.14	1.38	0.71	-0.01	2.35	-0.72	-0.96
	1	2	0.60	0.69	-0.09	Paul, Chris		LAC	PG	64		33.2	16.9	1.1	3.7	9.6	2.4	0.1	0.479	12.1	0.890	4.7	2.3	0.58	-0.08	-0.36	2.91	2.82	-0.86	0.32	1.37	-0.52
	1	3	0.46	-0.15	+0.61	Drummond, Andre		DET	C/PF	55		19.9	7.5	0.0	7.6	0.5	0.9	1.6	0.600	5.5	0.341	2.3	0.9	-0.74	-1.21	0.95	-1.17	0.74	2.40	1.92	-5.00	0.80
	1	4	0.42	0.68	-0.26	Durant, Kevin		OKC	SF	76		38.6	28.4	1.8	7.9	4.4	1.4	1.3	0.507	17.9	0.907	9.3	3.5	2.83	0.32	0.10	0.21	0.06	0.34	1.04	2.72	-1.5