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ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/16/2022 5:12 AM

We’ve added an Analysis Monster page which simplifies the analysis of Projected Standings and Team Analysis.  It contains:

• An updated Projected Standings better taking into account IR players and game limits.  We suggest using this rather than Projected Standings or Standings Monster though both of those are still available.
• An updated Team Analysis using the stats from Analysis Monster.  We suggest using this rather than the old Team Analysis page though that’s still available.

We’ve also simplified the Trade Monster page which now uses the Analysis Monster results.  It allows:

• Viewing Before/After Projected Standings & Team Analysis for Trades.
• Viewing Before/After Projected Standings & Team Analysis for Add/Drops.
• Finding Trades which shows your gains in Roto Standings or H2H Win%.
• Find Free Agents which also shows your gains in Roto Standings or H2H Win%.

The goal is the create more accurate and consistent results between pages.  It also reduces the possibility of creating unrealistic results.  Feel free to let us know if other options/display values would be helpful.

Also, as mentioned, this is intended to replace some of the older pages, but we have also kept these available if you find their flexibility useful.

fbbaddict (38 posts)  9/16/2022 5:44 AM

My understanding is that (pls correct me if I'm wrong) Analysis Monster uses total game values, which I almost never use for H2H leagues, as it's impossible to nail "games played" accurately. It increases the possibiliy of creating unrealistic results imo. It'd be good to have an option to analyse with per game values. Again, I might be wrong, please correct me if that's the case.

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/16/2022 6:00 AM

If you select "Assume 100% games", it's basically a per-game result since it assumes the same # of games for all players.

fbbaddict (38 posts)  9/16/2022 6:11 AM

Ah yes, it does the trick. Can we have an option to exclude IR from analysis completely? Also, saving the settings, so that we won't need to check "assume 100% games" each time. Cheers!

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/16/2022 6:15 AM

Thanks, and yes, we can save the setting.  Why would you want to exclude IR?

fbbaddict (38 posts)  9/16/2022 6:28 AM

In some cases, I want to see how my team or my opponents would do without their injured players in a specific period. Also, some injuries can be so tricky that teams won't provide a definite timeline. But nevermind, the old projected standings can be used for that. Thanks again Ken.

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/16/2022 6:37 AM

For IR players, the use 100% will only use games after their projected to return date so they're weighted less.  Maybe that helps?

fbbaddict (38 posts)  9/16/2022 6:52 AM

Yeah it surely helps. I rarely need to check how it looks like when IR players are completely ignored, and as I said the old projected standings would help there.

dasein  (44 posts)  9/16/2022 2:20 PM

What does apply game limits do, and when do you suggest using it?

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/16/2022 2:44 PM

This is for Roto leagues that have Game Limits under League Settings.  It should always be applied, but we allow removing it to see what your complete team's games would look like.

dasein  (44 posts)  9/16/2022 4:31 PM

Thanks. Which tool would be best for comparing teams that have an unequal number of players, on a per game basis? It doesn't seem like Analysis Monster is ideal for that.

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/16/2022 4:33 PM

Do you have a drafted league, I can look at?

carlos2898 (1 posts)  9/16/2022 5:21 PM

The trade monster seems to be stuck on Totals. I try switching back to Per Game but doesn't switch from Totals. 

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/16/2022 5:49 PM

We may need to add the Per Game value back, and we'll give that some thought.  I believe if you select "Assume 100% Games", that you'll pretty much be getting a Per Game value since all players get the same # of games.

dasein  (44 posts)  9/16/2022 5:52 PM

@ken, for slow drafts that incorporate pick trading, or use auctions, it is common to have an inbalance in the number of players teams have at a given point during the draft. Methods that only use totals are not going to give useful results during a draft when a few teams have 10 players and a few have 7. You could look at my Heroes league as an example.

I think the best tool for comparing uneven teams currently is the old Projected Standings using Per Game, but I'm not sure. The usual reason I want to check this is to help decide which players to target during a draft.

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/16/2022 6:06 PM

I think you're right that Projected Standings is best during a live draft since Trade Monster, for now, assumes complete rosters.  We'll look at allowing the Per Game there too.

Johnjclass101@gmail.com  (1 posts)  9/17/2022 12:59 AM

Is the projected standings portion of analysis monster taking benched games into account? For example in a points league with no game limit, you could have two teams in a matchup with 39 total games each, but one team can only actually start 32 of them while because of schedule quirks, the other team can start 38 of 39. The head to head weekly feature doesn't take that into account, so I'm wondering if analysis monster does.

Kai-rie (68 posts)  9/17/2022 2:47 AM

as soon as one of my guys is injured, it appears it just removes the player totally from the team analysis Is it possible to have a setting where it replaces the injured player with the next best replacement player for the number of games the injured player is expected out?

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/17/2022 11:36 AM

@johnjclass - Analysis Monster is going to give you a general rankings with an assumed # of bench players.  It shows the % of games for bench players for the analysis.  For H2H Weekly, it should take actual games into account.  What are you seeing?

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/17/2022 11:37 AM

@Kai-rie - For IR players, it will use that player's games and then take those games away from your bench players.  What are you seeing, and do you have an example league?

terpoftroy  (5 posts)  9/19/2022 10:13 PM

@ken My league is H2H points but with a 30 game per week limit. I am allowed to set lineups daily, but when I run the Analysis Monster with the daily lineup frequency setting, I just get an analysis assuming all projected games for the full roster, starters and bench. So the teams with full rosters are projected to do better than teams with less than full rosters (having a full roster is not a requirement in this league).

It gets a little bit better if I switch the lineup frequency setting to weekly. The analysis on this setting shows 820 games for all teams (which I assume is 10 active roster spots x 82 NBA games).

I think our season is 22 weeks, so the total games in the analysis should really be 30 games per week x 22 weeks = 660.

Does this make sense? Maybe the league is too nuanced for this tool; but effectively, the analysis should be of the best 660 games on the roster (starting with the best player's projected games, then the next best player's projected games, and so on until there are 660 projected games)

Appreciate all your work!

dasein  (44 posts)  9/20/2022 5:57 AM

I'm just playing with AM now for a league that has drafted, albeit with uneven rosters. If I'm reading it right it assumes 100% games for the top X number of players on a roster and then splits the unused games equally among the remaining players. For a dynasty league, like this one, this is unhelpful because there are develpment players rostered that I would never start. I would think it better to make up the games not accounted for by the top X players, firstly by maxing out the X+1  best player, and when they are exhausted, the X+2 best player, and so on.

For example, this league has 10 starting spots so my 10 most highly rated players are assumed to start 100% of their projected games. My 11th best player is Monte Morris and my worst player is TyTy Washington. It seems that AM is assuming I will start both players in 25% of their games. In reality, Monte will start maybe 80% of his games and TyTy might not start ever this year.

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/20/2022 8:16 AM

@terpoftroy - Currently, we're not taking the weekly limit into account, but the way you describe it sounds like a good solution, and we'll implement that.

@dasein - That's probably a better solution, fill the bench with remaining games starting from best to worst players.

sd21gr (2 posts)  9/21/2022 11:10 PM

Hello guys,

been a member for a few years. I think the new update took the website a step back, kind of disappointing really. Firstly, you removed the very useful import all leagues button,its much more difficult to do now. Also, on the topic, the previous trade monster would let you add any player to any team, try 3team trades etc, it was very easy to recreate every scenario. Now its its only team a to b and free agents. Let me know if im missing something.

Thanks in advance

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/22/2022 4:19 AM

The "all rosters" link next to the league drop down will import all rosters so maybe that needs to be renamed?

For the trade monster, we did remove the manual adding of players to teams since it didn't seem too useful, but we can add that back.

Thanks for the feedback.

sd21gr (2 posts)  9/22/2022 9:52 AM

Thanks! Yes, I would rename to "import all rosters" or something if thats what it does. Also, if you add back manual adding, please do so ! :D

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/23/2022 1:39 PM

Yes, we'll allow selecting between evenly using bench or use bench from best to worst until game limits are reached.

pokatelli (2 posts)  9/26/2022 8:33 PM

Perhaps I'm overlooking something but is there an option to adjust "% games to use for bench players" on the new analysis monster as there is on the old projected standings page? Currently i am only seeing analysis with this note...

#210673 (6 posts)  9/27/2022 1:21 AM

Hoping someone could help analyze my team 

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/27/2022 5:11 AM

@pokatelli  - Which of your leagues is this?  Is it roto, and if so, are there game limits? I'm just trying to see what other settings may be needed to address your setup.

Shpitzer8  (1 posts)  9/28/2022 1:01 AM

Thanks, both are great tools. Nevertheless, I think there is a small bug in the calculation of the Analysis Monster: The standard deviation of the TO categories are regarded as (+) is "bad", (-) is "good". As a result, I think the H2H matchups are not calculated correctly. Thanks for your help

Koksi (1 posts)  9/28/2022 7:30 AM

I need help, I imported my league settings, and the ranking projections had lamelo being the 4th best player, that is due to my league settings concering how the points work, correct? 3pt made 3 etc.. 

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/28/2022 8:19 AM

@Shpitzer8 - Do you have an example league showing this?  I think it may be coloring the value wrong, but the win % looks OK.

pokatelli (2 posts)  9/28/2022 1:15 PM

@ken_admin It's a CBS 8cat roto league with no game limits. Ideally would like to see this option in settings on the analysis monster, as it is in the old projected standings page...

Thanks

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/28/2022 1:19 PM

Are they weekly lineups or daily changes?

Trebs  (1 posts)  10/3/2022 12:04 PM

How do i get back to my team? The arrow is on the different manager.

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/3/2022 12:07 PM

You can use Make My Team under Settings/Team Players.

eyeatoma  (35 posts)  10/4/2022 7:50 AM

Hey Ken,

Anyway to update the trade monster, so it looks for trades through out your league, instead of just with one team? It would suggest the whole league in the past, now I can't seem to find the setting. 

Also, I can't seem to find standings monster, is Projected standings the only one available. You mentioned in the initial post that standings monster was still available. 

Thanks!

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/4/2022 8:27 AM

In Trade Monster, you can set a player to Trade and then click Find Trades without clicking a Team 2, and it will search all teams for trades.

Standings Monster is hidden because it shows the exact same results as Analysis Monster: https://basketballmonster.com/standings.aspx

terpoftroy  (5 posts)  10/4/2022 11:49 PM

@ken_admin, any luck on the above request to incorporate the Weekly Games Limit in the Analysis Monster?

Also, how would the Analysis and Trade Monsters know if you were punting certain categories? Do the actives/inactives from Team Players factor in here? I feel like the tools are assuming the highest rated players for starter/bench usage but those may not be the players that fit your punt strategy (or give you the best outcomes).

Appreciate the info!

eyeatoma  (35 posts)  10/6/2022 1:01 AM

Awesome, thanks Ken!

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/6/2022 4:35 AM

@terpoftroy - We still need to look at this.  Does setting your limit to 660 give you reasonable results?

Dogster  (8 posts)  10/7/2022 2:44 AM

Hi there, trade monster with per game stats is great. Although I'm wanting to check a trade with a player who isn't in the top 50 free agents. Cannot seem to go past top 50. Is there a way to do this? Thank you!

Kai-rie (68 posts)  10/8/2022 12:37 AM

just finished a draft and standings monster is different to the draft tracker. Why so and should this be aligned?

Burtonian  (14 posts)  10/8/2022 12:19 PM

Likely a stupid question. When I got to Analysis Monster and clck on a category (Keepers have been imported) to see them in decending order, nothing happens. Am I doing something wrong?

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/8/2022 1:00 PM

We can check the sorting on that page since it may not be enabled.

For the draft tracker, it simply compares everyone drafted while the analysis monster makes adjustments for bench players.  Analysis Monster also relies on IR players which isn't available during the draft process.  We'll likely add the option to use analysis monster processing to the draft tracker, but that's likely for next season once analysis monster processes are finalized.

Burtonian  (14 posts)  10/8/2022 4:06 PM

That worked. Thanks Ken.

eyeatoma  (35 posts)  10/8/2022 6:13 PM

Hey Ken, You mentioned I could find trades by not setting any team in team 2, but it creates an error in trade monster. 

This is the error I get:

When finding trades of more than 2 players, you must select a Team 2.

I've only selected 2 players from my team by the way. 

eyeatoma  (35 posts)  10/8/2022 6:15 PM

It seems to work if I only select 1 player from my team, but if I select 2 players it pops up that error I mentioned. Anyway for it to allow us to have two players to trade?

Thanks!

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/8/2022 6:24 PM

It was a bit slow when we allowed two when searching all teams.  We'll look at improving the performance and adding more players.

eyeatoma  (35 posts)  10/9/2022 4:56 PM

Thanks Ken!

Dogster  (8 posts)  10/9/2022 11:10 PM

Hi Ken, anything on my above question?

On trade monster I'm wanting to check a trade with a player who isn't in the top 50 free agents. Cannot seem to go past top 50. Is there a way to do this? Thank you!

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/10/2022 8:12 AM

Would 75 be enough?

Dogster  (8 posts)  10/12/2022 3:59 AM

Probably not unforch, as I'm in a dynasty league so am looking at alot of younger players who aren't projected high

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/12/2022 7:54 AM

Ok, we can expand this quite a bit.  It's limited since whatever we show, we consider when searching for trades/add/drops.  We don't want it too long, or the performance is bad.  We'll show more and use less than shown.

eyeatoma  (35 posts)  10/12/2022 7:19 PM

Ken, any news on getting that 2nd player available in being able to find trades on trade monster? You had mentioend it was slow, so it was removed. Would much appreciate it if this was reactivated. 

Also, I'm notice that on analysis monster when I choose assume 100 games my projected standings drop massively. In one league I'm in first, and drop to 8th, and in another I'm in 3rd and drop to 9th. 

I have both Josh and Kyle subscribed so I use both combined. I do notice for my players that Josh is more conservative for who I've drafted, even still I feel like assume 100 games is making a massive difference. Didn't notice the same thing when using add replacement players last year with standings monster. You will notice this for my $300 league and my $250 show me the money league. 

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/12/2022 9:48 PM

Still some work left before enabling the 2-player find trades.  You can do 2-player, but you have to select each opponent separately.

100% games in many cases eliminates the bench if you have game limits so it's not too realistic at this point in the season.

jpkballin  (6 posts)  10/13/2022 11:56 AM

Hi,

having some issues with analysis monster and displaying different games remaining for each team, even with "assume 100% games", I think it may have to do w/ IR spots.

Basically I want to compare teams assuming they all get the same # of games played, ie something like "add replacement games" so that it's more apples to apples 

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/13/2022 12:04 PM

Which league is this?

jpkballin  (6 posts)  10/13/2022 4:45 PM

Hi,

It's listed in my leagues as 2022 tmac league

eyeatoma  (35 posts)  10/13/2022 6:50 PM

Hi Ken,

Yeah I don't have game limits, I am in a 9cat H-H 12 team league. What would you suggest is the most accurate way of getting a projection then. Leave 100 games and game limnits off? Or turn it on, but only go with one or Josh and Kyle as far as projections?

Thanks,

Ramu

forkix (4 posts)  10/16/2022 11:57 PM

Hi. Is there a way to make "Assume 100% games" always checked?

mrfuentes27 (1 posts)  10/17/2022 1:25 AM

Moved R Williams to IL, Analysis Monster is aggregating his probable 37 remaining games played, but fails to account for the player that must be dropped in order to activate Williams. It is aggregating stats for 15 players instead of 14. I suggest a projected period options say the next week, two weeks N weeks.

Newbsy (3 posts)  10/17/2022 2:24 AM

Is it possible to alter who your bench and starters are? At the moment it seems to just be splitting via rank. For example with my league settings Ingram is listed as a bench player and Capela a starter where in reality I think I'm more likely to start Ingram.

ajb333  (2 posts)  10/20/2022 10:11 AM

I'm in a Roto league with no games limit.  When I use Analysis Monster I see I wild swing swings in projected standings based on whether I check or uncheck the "Apply Games Limit" box. Should I check or uncheck this box for the most accurate projected standings? Thank you.

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/20/2022 10:20 AM

Are these weekly lineups?

ajb333  (2 posts)  10/21/2022 9:17 AM

Yes, weekly lineups.  8-cat Roto league.

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/21/2022 9:40 AM

For weekly leagues, we do apply a default game limit of # roster spots x 82 games since we know you can't play all players every week.  From what we've seem reaching that limit is even stretching it.

randomdude  (6 posts)  10/25/2022 11:45 AM

Hey Ken, before there was an option to view players depending on projections and also on current season rank, is there a possibility to implement that option into the new trade analyzer?

dasein  (44 posts)  3/15/2023 4:41 PM

For roto, it looks like analysis monster assumes teams are going to play all their games, even when this is numerically unlikely based on time remaining. You typically can't play all your available games due to roster contrainsts combined with the NBA schedule. Consequently, I think it gives misleading projections at this time of year for teams that are in a big games played deficiet . E.g a team with 100 available games left can really only play 80 to 90 of them in practice due to coindidence of games.

I'm not really sure how to handle this. Maybe build in a weekly max games based on average games per week for a given roster setting? That wouldnt be perfect either but better than nothing.

ken_admin (1452 posts)  3/16/2023 9:32 AM

Which of your leagues is this, and do you have Game Limits set?

dasein  (44 posts)  3/16/2023 6:26 PM

Any of the roto leagues. Maybe I'm wrong and it does account for that somehow. Heroes league would be a decent example as the games played distribution is high. It is now showing some teams with projected total games less than 820.

Dogster  (8 posts)  9/15/2023 1:22 AM

One thing that would be handy (for dynasty mostly) is when using trade monster, on team analysis if the age column added up correctly. Atm it just has 0.0. Thanks!

ken_admin (1452 posts)  9/15/2023 8:13 AM

Yes, we can give this a look. Thanks

Dogster  (8 posts)  9/19/2023 9:37 PM

And even just if in Analysis Monster if the average ages added up down the bottom would be cool. Thanks Ken!

That Dawg (16 posts)  10/18/2023 10:45 PM

Is there a page that looks all player news, trends, ownership data across all your leagues? We used to have it here, cant find it anymore.

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/19/2023 8:40 AM

Maybe under Members/Monster Page?

Sapnis  (4 posts)  10/22/2023 2:10 AM

Is there a way to use trade monster for weekly leagues? To compare only top10 players, or give bench lower value?

ken_admin (1452 posts)  10/22/2023 8:36 AM

Currently not, but we want to add the ability to select a future date range to analyze which may be what you need.