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NEW ARTICLE - CBS 8-Cat Roto Mock Draft

   
11m
Donnie99
Olympics Melo
31m
mavergara07
0% (3) agree 
You threw on every single negative connotation on him, OVER DRAFTED, BUST, DOWNSIDE
34m
stevepaullewis
Is the likelihood of Frank starting more likely now that Melo's been traded?
38m
shaunballs
His only back up now is Nick Collison, maybe Pat Pat for small ball line ups. Potential minutes boost?
52m
#58751
Projection has Towns at 1.5 blks. Seems to be regressing in that category since rookie year.
1.2h
aleursic
isn't 15 points on average a tad ambitious? Besides those last three months last year, Rubio didn't exactly light it up...
2.2h
joshlloyd48
How do we hate him?
2.3h
joshlloyd48
Agree, I think he starts. I've said for a long time that Hernangomez was basically a worse offensive version of Kanter and now they have both. His value for roto is immense in late rounds
2.5h
draftstreetking
25 and 12 per 36's. This is the most intriguing player of this trade IMO and the one with the most to gain.
2.7h
joshlloyd48
I'm in the process of doing it now
2.9h
sootykingjr
What do your projections change to for THJ with Melo gone to OKC?
3.3h
xer09
100% (3) agree 
Excited to see Porzingod the Unicorn to go wild this season! UNLEASH THIS BEAST!!
4.6h
furbysaur
ah. i think the high rate of a/g last year was because of houston's uptempo play. 15-16 season, at 28.5m/g he only had 2.5a/g at LAL.
5.9h
gehrenberg
100% (1) agree 
Yea poor Knicks fans a drink. I'm sorry for the bad word play and I'll see myself out. Bad times as a Knicks fan. Eventually I'll be able to give up watching them. Maybe
6.0h
drkinbote
100% (1) agree 
"As a fan, this is probably going to be the most exciting aspect of the Knicks season." poor knicks fans
6.6h
gehrenberg
I can't wait to see what the Knicks do with the center rotstion this year. As a fan, this is probably going to be the most exciting aspect of the Knicks season.
6.9h
xer09
50% (2) agree 
Time to pick Beasley up?
6.9h
jameschildress
100% (2) agree 
Eager for this update! :)
7.0h
#58751
I think his reboundong goes up more than the .6 you are projecting. He goes from playing in a slow pace with gobert as his center to a much higher pace with a poor rebounding team
7.0h
byrdsong
Willy is biggest fantasy loser. If nothing else it will be another frustrating time split, and Knicks probably give Kanter first shot at starting to justify the trade (he can put up better points/rebs for their corporate fan base which will seem to make the trade more "fair")
7.1h
moe05
100% (1) agree 
It has to - not like either of them can play the pf position. And the Knicks have too many center - Jeff might go with the hot hand or whatever it was like he did last year..
7.2h
VasChar93
What about Willy now after the Carmelo trade? Will Kanter hurt his value?
7.3h
mavergara07
forgot to add - rebounds down
7.3h
mavergara07
67% (3) agree 
BBM hates carmelo, but i am cautiously optimistic...
7.3h
mavergara07
points down, assist up, hopefully fg up
7.3h
mavergara07
scoring down, efficiency up
7.7h
GDiama
100% (2) agree 
I think it's pretty obvious it does affect him and Westbrook.
7.9h
macka311
Does the addition of Melo affect his scoring production much?
8.0h
KINGSfan55
will kanter get playing time? will porzingis(with "porseengeez" name on the background josh lloyd style!) will be stud?
8.1h
theo156
100% (3) agree 
That escalated quickly
8.5h
hmoy721
Looks like Rockets are out of the trade talks with the Knicks. Crisis averted,
9.2h
draftstreetking
0% (2) agree 
We'll just the obvious is he's 31 and small. I think we should expect decline in all areas myself. That said I would have thought that last year as well
10.1h
furbysaur
why is there a decline in assist from last year? 3.0 to 2.5.
15.6h
joshlloyd48
100% (1) agree 
It depends on who ends up coming back in the deal. Without doubt, his usage will increase though
18.5h
InsideTheNBA
What kind of change do we expect to see in his projections once Melo is moved as that seems imminent?
1.4d
michaelmcbean
He was top 75 ... the first month + the last 2 months (minus the "head" injury and a month of bad play after returning). Why the muted stats, could easily see steals, blocks, reb, ft% all a touch higher. Is Jackson that big of an impact that his stats go down in the same min/g? esp ft%?
1.4d
GDiama
100% (1) agree 
I can see him playing close to 30 mins again though as he ll back up both PG and SG and these 3 guard line ups are not out of question either for a few mins.
1.5d
ajdirt
Howard Beck reporting that refs will crackdown on shooting fouls that are not in a pure shooting motion. This would surely affect Harden if refs stick with this all season.
1.6d
joshlloyd48
At the expanse of who though? Ingram? Randle? Lopez? He's worse than all three of them so for him to push KCP to SF, one of toss guys gets limited.
1.6d
joshlloyd48
And longer three point line
1.6d
theo156
0% (1) agree 
Isn't it likely that we see him as an SG in a 3 guard lineup with Ball and KCP?
1.7d
michaelmcbean
is the drop in FG% to .410 from .432 career (which includes some sub .400 years early in his career) due to better competition/ fatigue due to more games?
1.7d
ozitenor
Time to build some hype for the Latvian Kevin Durant. Athletic, long, shooter. Spurs will surely give him more rope.
1.8d
absolutebest
How is DSJ rated as a facilitator? If he's an upgrade on what was being run out there last year, could Matthews possibly be as prolific as he has been in 3pm?
1.9d
joshlloyd48
100% (3) agree 
They both did happen - last season
1.9d
HobblySkeebly
50% (2) agree 
48% & 77 games are both best case scenarios. They both could happen, I wouldn't draft him with both of those assumptions, however.
2.0d
GDiama
100% (1) agree 
He should normally be the backup for PF/C and has really nice fantasy upside. Please Gentry no more Ajinca and Asik, it's painful to watch them play.
2.1d
joshlloyd48
Agree, and I've made a change
2.1d
gehrenberg
So much of fantasy output is based on opportunity. This is one of the worst rosters in the league and Prince figures to play a ton of minutes. I don't think he is elite in any one area, but he has a fairly well rounded fantasy game.
2.2d
ranma08
100% (1) agree 
Rebounding numbers seemed to increase last 2 months of season. Current projection only has 6.7 r/g. A bump needed?
2.5d
qc0114
yes. Where will James Harden or CP3 be if melo joins....?
2.5d
IrvDizzle
Woj reporting he is going to sign his qualifying offer and become a UFA next season. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20774690/phoenix-suns-center-alex-len-planning-sign-qualifying-offer-sheet-training-camp
2.5d
joshlloyd48
100% (4) agree 
You can't really base anything off his history, he barely played in his rookie year. Look st his end of season game log
2.5d
IrvDizzle
the Milwaukee preview pod that Josh did mentioned that he would be stuck around 20 to 25 minutes, but then both he and Eric Nehm said that Jason Kidd gonne Jason Kidd so they can't project higher minutes or even guarnatee that Thon will consistently get 20-25min. He certainly looked great vs the Raps in the playoffs.
2.6d
stevenomes
sometimes time runs out and you have to make a quick decision. ive regretted taking some players before as impulse picks etc. with Taurean i dont think its so bad yet, lets see how he starts the year.
2.6d
markalbert2kx
Sorry, I mean you guys say not to just follow ranking when drafting, and I did. The projection looks quite far from what he has done historically. This is not a mistake?
2.6d
joshlloyd48
Not sure I understand markalbert.
2.6d
markalbert2kx
I blindly drafted without looking at his history. Fml
2.8d
xer09
100% (2) agree 
Any thoughts on Thon Maker this year? Havent heard a lot about this guy.. possibly a last round flier in a 12 team 9 cat H2H worthy?
2.9d
furbysaur
Oops worry wrong window. Should have been on covington's. But i think it also applies to russell. They both have bad fg.
2.9d
furbysaur
Would we know the stats on the fg% on open looks vs defended? I'm on an 8cat roto league and covington's rank is high.
3.0d
joshlloyd48
100% (2) agree 
No, I don't believe so
3.0d
xer09
Panic mode for Embiid? Is this a "stay away" from Embiid territory?
3.1d
Yooona
Not cleared for 5-on-5 yet. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20768467/injured-philadelphia-76ers-center-joel-embiid-not-cleared-5-5-drills
3.1d
jisong
0% (1) agree 
Definitely an option in deep league, but not an appealing one to me. He has never been a fantasy friendly player in his career and his production is limited to PTS & boards. He does always have a high USG on any given team, so I guess starter or not won't help too much either. Minutes could help Beasley's numbers, but that should be in the 15-20 range most likely
3.1d
joshlloyd48
100% (5) agree 
Yes, I think Carlisle will play Dirk at C, as they did when Noel arrived last season. I'm not sure what Patton has to do with any of this. As for playing for a contract, yes he is, but that has zero impact on Carlisle playing him more. Noel doesn;t get to choose his own minutes. Noel was also playing for a contract last season and played 22 minutes a night in Dallas.
3.3d
InsideTheNBA
100% (4) agree 
Should there be a concern now drafting Harden given a trade that Melo is brought to Houston?
3.4d
IrvDizzle
100% (1) agree 
are MPG projections low because you think Carlisle will be playing Dirk at C? I can't see Patton getting more minutes (you project him at 8 mpg). Do you see Noel getting more minutes later in the season? he is playing for a contract.
3.4d
IrvDizzle
75% (4) agree 
"I'm literally just Carmelo on the left side of the floor." - Michael Beasley source: https://twitter.com/theScore/status/910525460643160064 *waits for Josh and Kyle to adjust rankings to mirror Melo's :P
3.5d
drkinbote
Honestly think you're still getting a value pick around 60-70 from him, depending on how competitive your league is. Hopefully he can put his foot and hamstring injuries last year behind him.
3.5d
hmoy721
100% (1) agree 
How much value will Harden lose if Carmelo gets traded to the Rockets?
3.5d
SlamDuncan
100% (1) agree 
It's going to be pretty surprising if he slides past 70 in a decent league...on everyone's breakout list
3.9d
joshlloyd48
100% (1) agree 
I think their upside is the same, but Evans has a higher chance of reaching it
3.9d
Tmart21
For last round flier - Tyreke, or Parsons have more upside?
3.9d
astock
0% (1) agree 
Depends on build, but in a bubble I would go Oladipo as well. He's shown very early-round upside which Russell hasn't done yet. If you're punting FG% or TOs it gets closer. I don't consider Booker to be on the same level as these guys, especially Oladipo.
4.0d
drkinbote
still chuckling over "preventative" knee surgery. what the hell happened to him second half of the season? Didn't watch a single hawks game.
4.0d
joshlloyd48
100% (3) agree 
It's because I'm buying into age related decline
4.0d
3ptslime
After one down shooting season why is he projected to only hit 45% of his shots when he was at 46, 47, 47% the 3 seasons prior? Denver was also 4th in offensive efficiency last year after GS, CLE, & HOU. I feel like playing with a talented passing 5 like Jokic can bring Millsap back into the top 25. Is that assessment too optimistic?
4.0d
away0921
50% (4) agree 
8 cat H2H league punt blocks: Agree for PG Disagree for Jimmy Butler
4.1d
joshlloyd48
Weird situation like so many guys last season. He could easily move back to 80%+
4.1d
nammer21
Was his FT% drop last year an anomaly? Looks like he was sitting low to mid 80's the 3 years prior.
4.1d
HobblySkeebly
100% (1) agree 
His value is relative to other players in the league. When analyzing a projection, you need to look at the player's individual stat lines for potential discrepancies. For example, I have his FT% lower but with more attempts & a higher FG%
4.1d
joshlloyd48
100% (2) agree 
You can't really compare value from year to year, because it is so dependent on what the other players are doing. At this point, we have IT missing until start of December and I imagine Love's number's will come down when Thomas returns. His last half of last season was considerably worse than the first half - in fact it was almost exactly in line with his previous seasons in Cleveland. Once we get more details on Thomas, Love's numbers will change in one direction or another
4.1d
InsideTheNBA
100% (1) agree 
Is it possible this guy averages 20pts a game because of the addition of Rubio and easier looks from such a pass first PG?
4.1d
drkinbote
Yahoo ADP has him at 133.8. I imagine this will come down as season opener gets closer. In a 12tm league I'd see if I can get him in the 9th round. He's a poor man's McCollum if he gets 30 minutes and I don't see him beating BM's projected assist/36 numbers nor vastly improving his FG percentage.
4.2d
adifferentlogik
So you are projecting that his overall value will be lower than last year even though he is playing 1/3 of the season without IT and Kyrie is gone?
4.2d
xer09
100% (1) agree 
In my 7 drafts ive done so far.. I was able to pick him around pick 70-90's.
4.3d
#39100
There are a lot of hype on Murray coming into the draft. But practically, around what pick range should I be considering Murry without overpaying for him?
4.5d
draftstreetking
83% (6) agree 
His minutes seem high to me
4.5d
FBFcase
100% (1) agree 
It's because of the faster pace
4.5d
abui
0% (2) agree 
Bump on an earlier comment: Is there any concern of his blocks going down with his increased offensive load (like Whiteside last year)?
4.9d
joshlloyd48
100% (1) agree 
I did just give him a slight bump to his 2pt% to push him to 45.3%
4.9d
navb
100% (3) agree 
Sleeper!
4.9d
bcfan93
0% (5) agree 
Porzingis fell off towards the second half of last season. With him playing so much ball with Latvia in the FIBA tournament this summer, is he going to lose steam again this coming season?
4.9d
gehrenberg
100% (1) agree 
He shot 45.9% from the field for the last two months of the season vs 45.2% from the year and he's projected to shoot 45.3% this year. So while he was moderately better over the last couple months of the year, he wasn't exactly an efficiency machine
5.0d
drkinbote
100% (2) agree 
Also from a punt-ast team perspective, it's much easier/efficient to trade for a wing/forward that solidifies ur reb/stl/blk stats, than it is to trade for someone's mccollum or any other 20ppg+good ft player. So you might just say, fuck it, let me draft mccollum in the second round.
5.0d
drkinbote
100% (2) agree 
What's a reach for you? CJ is an interesting reach (i.e. second round pick) if you're running a punt-ast team that wants to be cancer to punt-ft teams. He helps you with points and ft, two cats hard to improve as the draft progresses, and lets you delay drafting another point guard until like 10-12 round. Idea here is that (a) you don't want to draft Gallo later (b) you understand that derozan gets drafted earlier than you'd like every year (c) you get your unicorn big in the first round and will follow up w another ft% friendly big in the third round
5.1d
joshlloyd48
That doesn't concern me
5.2d
draftstreetking
Sure, but Kyrie is the only real controversial trade and the one fans will be really angry about if he doesn't improve as a 25 year old with his own team now. You know what Hayward, Horford etc are or what to expect from a rookie. Also of those others none are on a 2 year contract that really matter to bring back. Hayward 4 years, Tatum 4 years-restricted, Horford 3 years and old, Smart role player etc etc. Kyrie was on a great team and already walked cause he didn't get things his way. 2 year trial....
5.2d
InsideTheNBA
0% (3) agree 
Should we be concerned with his production now that Holiday is back for a full season tied with the addition of Rondo?