Aaron Gordon - ORL - F

Mostly, it's the extra minutes he gets with Jeff Green out. If Green plays in any of the remaining games, Gordon would likely play fewer minutes, likely about 30, compared to the 36 mpg he's played the last four games.

er. top 31 - past 14 days.

PG Averages : Top 11 - Past 7 Days. Top 31 - Past 14 weeks. Projection for the rest of the season - 138? What am I missing?

Gordon or Chriss?

Better play for today - Gordon (Up) or R.Lopez (Down)?

Really stuck between these two. Gordon (up) or Pau gasol (down)

So what is Gordon's value and stats if he is getting consistent minutes starting at PF? Will he develop into a very good fantasy player? He reminds me of Josh Smith on how SF is definitely not where he should be playing lol.

Damn..thanks Kyle

Here's the Joshua Robbins article from this morning. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-sp-orlando-magic-news-0216-story.html

http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/magics-aaron-gordon-will-play-primarily-power-forward/ Considering this report came out yesterday I am not totally convinced that it won't actually be Gordon at power forward and Green at small forward. At least I hope. Could just be a reporter seeing Green is starting and just assumed Green would be power forward to replace Ibaka.

Worth starting over Middleton today?

Vogel starting Green at PF tonight and Gordon at the SF...what a joke. Maybe this changes when Ross is available but come on dude get a clue...

Worth starting tonight? Over D.collison?

In 14 h2h with punt assists trade D'angelo Russel for Aaron Gordon?

drop tyreke for AG?

#62090 -- Gordon's wart is his inconsistency, but throughout his time on the Magic, he's had an inconsistent role on a lopsided roster. When we finally saw him start at PF last season after Tobias Harris was traded, Gordon was the 106th-ranked player over the 37 games he started. He played 29 mpg and averaged 11.1 points, 0.6 three-pointers, 8.2 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 0.9 steals, and 0.7 blocks on 46%FG and 64%FT. Gordon's potential with 30+ mpg is a triple-one player who could also put up good points and rebounds. We've also seen him be efficient in the past, and getting to the rim for dunks should be easier against slower PFs than him, helping to raise his FG%. There's considerable upside for the kid who won't be 22 years old until next season's training camp.

I think what you are missing is that Gordon can now play his true position at PF, where he can hopefully thrive.

I am cautious on AG, and I am missing what his upside is for this season. Looking from the perspective of a 12 team H2H league with daily changes. His percentages (FG, FT, 3's) are below average, and his per36 shows little promise of him contributing in categories other than points and maybe rebounds? Am I missing something?

Kyle - It is done! And i got Lin too, dropped Hood (need the assists).

raadee -- I would drop Mason Plumlee for Gordon.

Sribb43 -- I'm not ready to give up on Brogdon right now. He's their best PG. Do you have anyone else to drop?

Drop Mason Plumlee for Gordon?

drop Brogdon for Gordon?

Aaron Gordon should start at PF now and be better in that role. I'd grab him if he's available. I'd also be taking a flier on Ross. He should start for ORL.

dropped nurk for gordon.. i'm on the ship now :)

I would bet on Gordon. He doesn't have to learn a new system.

Gordon > Nurk

gordon or nurkic? i have just one room available.. can drop nurkic now..

Seems like it. Came from Woj. Ibaka to TOR for Terrance Ross and first round pick (the lower of TOR's 2 first round picks). Pick up Gordon wherever available.

Finally free at last!!!

Is there any traction to the trade rumor surrounding the Magic moving one of their bigs by the deadline to let Gordon play at the 4?

Gordon (up) or W. Matthews (down) ROS?

A. Gordon (up) or N. Mirotic (down) standard 8 cat?

A Gordon (Up) or James Johnson (Down)?

A Gordon up and Lord el Payton in 8 cat?

I have been impressed with his shooting from the 3pt line and his ball handling.

He seems to get more and more comfortable to play SF. Thought things only going to turnaround after he switching back to PF, but thanks god.

Backs up his 30 point game with a 2 point game. This guy must be killing owners.

Obviously, Gordon is not going to do this on a nightly basis, but when he's playing the PF and has opportunity like this, with Vuce out and Ibaka struggling, he can produce. Hopefully they deal him to somewhere he can start and play the 4.

Doubt it's a sign of things to come. As was mentioned Vucevic is out and also Ibaka had foul trouble in the first half.

WOW wtf.... i held him the whole season and literally JUST decided to drop him yesterday....

Playing well tonight. Is this a sign of him coming around or just a fluke? No Vucevic tonight also...

Obviously no ones fault but on Yahoo AG had a stat correction, lost a block last night, and because of that lost me the category! This guys gunna need to do like a front flip in the dunk contest at this point to redeem himself :/

Biyombo and Vooch out with injuries. Is Gordon a must add here? What do you guys think of the severity of each injury?

Seems like a lost season. Should be really good one day when he is played in the proper position and utilized correctly...but that day isn't coming any time soon. I was recently an advocate for holding him but it's simply time to just face the facts and jump ship.

He's been better the last week or so, but if Vogel doesn't give him the minutes, it doesn't mean much

Probably not good when somebody has 2 points on 1-4 shooting and that causes optimism

Some sign of hope so far tonight?

The Ibaka move was bad, but he's actually played very well this year. I don't see Ibaka being traded.

Agree with @jbs5635, I've already cut Gordon loose. Unless they trade Ibaka, Gordon is still playing out of position and is abysmal at the SF spot. I think the GM loses his job if he moves on from Ibaka after being universally ridiculed for the draft night trade for Ibaka.

They wouldn't move Gordon, would they?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/magic-basketblog/os-orlando-magic-look-to-add-scoring-20161205-story.html

I don't think it's going to happen for him this year with Ibaka around. Even if he starts getting a few more minutes he will still be playing SF. He's not a good fit there.

ORL plays 4 games in 5 days. I am dropping him after that if he does not show signs of turning it around.

Finally give up on Gordon and take a flier on Dwight Powell?

Gordon sighting....mirage vs weak defense?

Gordon was dropped recently. I have the number one wavier. Is he worth it and should I drop Mirotic for him? Trying to see who has more upside down the road.

Let's hope Vogel isn't monitoring Green's minutes and this nonsense of starting this garbage is over.

Starting when Green is back. Not feeling good about tonight...

I think he's the most underperforming player this season. In Yahoo! standard 9-cat leagues, his preseason ranking is 53. His current ranking is 221. Aside from those coming from injuries, can you name another player who's current ranking deviated more from the original projected? SMH

Zach Lowe seems to agree with me in regards to Aaron Gordon https://twitter.com/zachlowe_nba/status/803306249425063941

question: should I drop Nance for Gordon? I'm intrigued by Gordon's potential but even if Randle is healthy Nance will get decent numbers. what are your thoughts? I'm essentially looking for an asset to help me come playoff time.

His shot is so off at the moment, but I don't believe we were irresponsible with his projections. Before he went to the bench he was 108th in 8 cat leagues in 30 minutes a night. Preseason we had him projected at 31 minutes ranked 81st. I think that's pretty reasonable, but now, his confidence is done, he is playing an unfamiliar role and he can't hit a shot. He was struggling to a degree in the starting lineup but not to this level.

Vogel is a moron. He is ruining this kid.

This what happens when a player lost his confidence. This happens when u play him out of position and bench him for Jeff Green.

I said this last season and got downvoted big time but I'll say it again: this guy is STILL raw and is going to be a very long project. His shooting and dribbling skills are awful for a SF (although marginally improved), something he is not. His comparisons to Shawn Marion are laughable at best considering Marion was a top 10 player in his second year in the NBA. It is also absolutely irresponsible that fantasy basketball blogs were building this guy up as much as they were (including here at BBM) since most people ended up spending a mid-round pick on Gordon. With Ibaka locked in as the starting PF, there isn't much hope for Gordon this year. Sorry folks :/.

Stinker from the field but the only guy with a positive +/- on the Magic, so weird. Magic are a steaming pile this season, yuck.

Absolutely agree. He looks lost out there, running around looking for spots on the court to take jump shots.

He's not well suited to play small forward. Disaster on both ends of the court tonight

I might lose FG% because I have Gordon AND JR Smith (0-11). lol

Good to see he's taking advantage of the opportunity to start today. Absolutely destroying my FG%...

furbysaur -- If you're in a good spot in your standings and there aren't any obvious pickups on the wire who are (or could be) better than Gordon this season, I'd be holding him. However, if you are getting buried in the standings and need help now (and there is someone good to add on the wire), I think you need to at least consider the possibility that Gordon will be stuck in a reduced role for too long to wait. I'm personally holding for the time being.

Is he the danny green of 16-17 season? I own him in 2 leagues (1 roto) and he's killing me. How long can we be patient on this guy?

Have not seen a lot of Magic games. Is he in Vogels doghouse? Vogel was talking him up in the preseason as a PG13-lite. What happened to that?! Can not imagine Green out playing him ROS.

Reminds me of the situation with oladipo and skiles last year...benched until he realized how stupid he was and then Dipo beasted the 2nd half. Think it will be the same with Gordon. Green simply CANNOT be the starter over him. Vogel will cave eventually....

Vogel played Gordon at the 4 for the first time this season and he gave Mario some minutes. Something to watch out for the next game.

TheNorthSide - I would probably not use a #1 waiver on Gordon at this point (FYI I used my #1 waiver on Nick Young last week for comparison). Maybe add him as soon as he clears waivers? I own Gordon on another team, and I'm being patient for now.

He's been super underwhelming. Is it fair to take a look at Terrence Jones over Gordon?

TheNorthSide -- Whether or not to use your #1 waiver really depends on your league. What caliber of players get dropped in your league most seasons? Is Gordon as good as I will get, or will someone panic and drop a guy when they shouldn't? That's how I usually weigh whether or not to use my top waiver priority. Are you sure you'd have to use your #1 waiver to get Gordon? As much faith as I have in his talent, he hasn't been setting the world on fire, so people might not be looking to use a waiver on him.

Kyle would you use your #1 waiver wire pickup on him? In a 10 man 9 cat h2h league

cbat -- In general, I think people should be patient with both Gordon and Winslow. They should both be good standard league players down the stretch this season. The Magic are going to have to change their roster at some point, and Winslow is locked into a big role when he's healthy.

Who do you like more for the rest of the season: Gordon or Justise Winslow?

Is it time to panic on Aaron Gordon yet? Do we think Vogel is going to keep him in this limited role?

Makes me SO sad. What happened to being Vogel's Paul George?

Also have Dirk sitting on the wire right now, drop AG for Dirk?

Thoughts on AG now that he's been relegated to the bench? Is he droppable for a guy like Sean Kilpatrick? I've got a team with Stocks to spare every week so he's seems kind of redundant when he hurts so much in the %'s.

Would you trade A.Gordon for Steven Adams?

I see no way he shoots 48% as a SF to be honest. I think he ll be closer to 45%

That is a concern and I'm going to take a look at it a bit closer

Does his role as SF concern you? Likely takes a few more jumpers. Likely dents his fg%.

He was terrible today, but he also grabbed 10 boards in under 25 minutes the other day. I'm convinced they start Vucevic and Ibaka and that will allow Gordon to grab more boards, but we did drop his rebound rate this season due to the presence of these other big men. But I will agree, he looke dterrible today, but hasn't looked that way in the other games.

Any concern on AG after today's game? Fair bit of value predicated on RB's, and looks like Biyombo was doing his best DAJ impression and hogging all the defensive boards. Small sample size but looks like the Vuc/Ibaka/AG front court much more favorable for AG's value than if they clog things up with Biyombo. Hope Vuc doesn't get traded!

Make sense. Thanks :)

Basically the only thing we are expecting differently from him from last year is to take a few extra shots per 36. Rebounding, steals, blocks are at a similar rate, we just expect him to take a bigger role in the offense given the players they have lost, and it's actually a pretty similar role to what he had after Tobias Harris was ridiculously traded. If you don't think he gets 30 minutes, it drops him obviously,

Why are we so high on him?just worry his skill set will be polished enough to facial the team?